new 9.00-16 tyres for WD split rim wheels

[guy labbe]

I have some Petlas NT3 tyres 900 x16 on my Morris and fitted without problems on my rims . I had them from John Gray go brought them over to Tanks in Town meeting last September.

[Jonathan Moore]

When looking for tyres for my HUP I went to John Grey and purchased 5 new 900 x 16 bar grips. Anyone who has seen my vehicle, might remember that it had 3 CMP rims and 1 Morris rim. There are obvious differences with these rims and getting the old tyres off of the Morris rims proved to be a right pain and in the end I burnt them off, where as, with the CMP rims, the tyres were less of a problem. Putting the 900 x 16 back on wasn't a problem as long as the surfaces were clean and I used lots of tyre lubricant. The tyres were well lubricated before assembly then the wheels were assembled, with new flaps and again well lubricated, then the tyres blown up to 60 PSI. The CMP rims, the tyre bead popped into place at this pressure, with the Morris rims it took a little more pressure but they too popped on.

The pictures below are of both type of rim.



Jonathan

[svdwal]

Hi all,

I have bought the Malhotra 9.00 x 16 tyres for my MCC C8 from John Grey 2 years ago and drove close to 2500 miles on them since trough all kinds of terrain and conditions.
No problems whatsoever with these, they do what they are supposed to do and keep inflated.

Rgds.

Sjoerd

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by svdwal

Hi all,

I have bought the Malhotra 9.00 x 16 tyres for my MCC C8 from John Grey 2 years ago and drove close to 2500 miles on them since trough all kinds of terrain and conditions.
No problems whatsoever with these, they do what they are supposed to do and keep inflated.

Rgds.

Sjoerd

Are these the same tyres ?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Over on HMVF Barry Ring posted yesterday:

"Finally some good news on the tyre project, We anticipate production to happen this month, Finally!! all being well tyres will be in the UK in the spring. i will upload some pictures once they have been produced."

Barry has had 9.00-16 tyres made to start with.

See http://www.hmvf.co.uk/topic/38525-ne...s-british-ww2/

[Robin Craig]

It goes without saying that for many people who have for a long time been on a hunt similar to a search for Unicorns, the end may be in sight.

It has recent been reported by Barry Ring that he anticipates a production run of these tires to happen very soon and arrival in the UK after that.

There is a quite a long thread over on HMVF about this located here

http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/38525-new-tr...-ww2/#comments

I would state that I am not related in any way etc etc.

If you need to get a hold of Barry his address block is


Barry Ring

Whitedell Engineering Ltd

http://www.facebook.com/militaryvehiclerepairs

We live in exciting times I think.

[rob love]

Hopefully someone can import a batch in bulk to North America. I would love to have the correct pattern tires on the 25 pounders and limbers.

[Peter Duggan]

Rob/Robin,

Definitely interested in a set for my Lynx. The idea of a bulk order is appealing.
Peter

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Merged with existing thread here on MLU.

Originally Posted by Robin Craig

It has recent been reported by Barry Ring that he anticipates a production run of these tires to happen very soon and arrival in the UK after that.
There is a quite a long thread over on HMVF about this located here

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by rob love

Hopefully someone can import a batch in bulk to North America. I would love to have the correct pattern tires on the 25 pounders and limbers.

I presume the tyres are made in the Far East - India or China (we've seen pictures of Chinese-made Trak Grip pattern tyres here on MLU, of which one would have to order a minimum of one container load), so I suggest to make arrangements with Barry Ring before they are shipped to the UK. Shipping them directly from China to NA may be the best approach.

Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Over on HMVF Barry Ring posted yesterday:

"Finally some good news on the tyre project, We anticipate production to happen this month, Finally!! all being well tyres will be in the UK in the spring. i will upload some pictures once they have been produced."

Barry has had 9.00-16 tyres made to start with.

See http://www.hmvf.co.uk/topic/38525-ne...s-british-ww2/

Barry Ring notified us his 9.00-16 tyres with Trak Grip pattern are in production. Here are some pics to whet your appetite:



Source: http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/38525-new-tr...ge/4/#comments

[Tony Smith]

The "W^D" is a nice touch!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Additional info from Barry Ring:

Fresh off the production line👍🏻.

900x16 12 ply.

First batch should be in the uk within the next couple of months (hopefully!)

To save me repeating myself in messages,

They should be in the UK in the next couple months

They are 16” so will be a tight fit on British rims (I will fit one as soon they arrive)

I don’t have the final price yet, once they have arrived I will have the exact price, bulk orders will get discount 👍🏻

Will ship anywhere.

EMAIL me with Quantity, contact name, email and location please

armytyres@gmail.com

[rob love]

They have a bit of a square shoulder, but I would be proud to install those on my vehicles. Sure hope somebody takes the initiative to import some for the North American market.

[Owen Evans]

Tyres are now in the UK; here's mine for the C15. Maybe this will motivate me to get the old tyres off the rims!

Owen.

[Owen Evans]

These photos are courtesy of Barry Ring.

[Robin Craig]

Those look good, what kind of load do you figure they will be proper to use for?

[rob love]

The rating on them says 1250 kgs @ 350 kpa. In Canadian, that translates to 2755 pounds at 50 psi.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Anyone looking for 10.50-16 tyres, BKT make them in a road type pattern. Very useful speed and load rating, these are not low speed implement tyres. Haven’t found a distributor for them yet, tough

They 9.00-16 size has a much lower speed rating, strangely.

https://www.bkt-tires.com/ww/en/d-405

[Hanno Spoelstra]

One of the members of Renault R2087 Forum the made a nice overview of 9.00-16 tyres plus related sizes. It is slightly dated and in French, but very helpful to see what is out there:

Pneumatiques

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

One of the members of Renault R2087 Forum the made a nice overview of 9.00-16 tyres plus related sizes. It is slightly dated and in French, but very helpful to see what is out there:

Pneumatiques

That's an interesting link, Hanno!
I was looking at the "Dunlop Trak Grip Blackwall 900x16" , which looks pretty close to the wartime Michelin tread also seen on British vehicles. (Egbert has 2 on his Dodge)

the PDF also includes the actual Michelin tyre, but it seems it wasn't available at the time. I wonder if it's since been reproduced, as France40 vehicles have them fitted to some of their restored vehicles.
https://www.facebook.com/france40vehicules/

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

That's an interesting link, Hanno!
I was looking at the "Dunlop Trak Grip Blackwall 900x16" , which looks pretty close to the wartime Michelin tread also seen on British vehicles. (Egbert has 2 on his Dodge)

the PDF also includes the actual Michelin tyre, but it seems it wasn't available at the time. I wonder if it's since been reproduced, as France40 vehicles have them fitted to some of their restored vehicles. https://www.facebook.com/france40vehicules/

See Michelin Made in England.

As I read it, the document advises to avoid using tyres which are long out of production, including those Michelins.

The second picture you posted was a similar tread apparently sold by Vrakking in The Netherlands, but seems to be no longer available from them. Would be interested to learn if they were made recently.

[Alex van de Wetering]

The Michelins were also seen on period pictures of early 3 ton 6x4 lorries (Guy, Leyland), on some RAF Fordsons and at least one Bedford MW. And I have also seen them fitted to monument 25pounders. Indeed it was also seen (and produced) post-war, on Panhard EBL's for instance, but my question remains.....was there a recent production run since the creation of the French PDF document? or are all recently restored wartime french vehicles fitted with old production tyres? Does anyone know?

The second picture you posted was a similar tread apparently sold by Vrakking in The Netherlands, but seems to be no longer available from them. Would be interested to learn if they were made recently.

Yes, it's a screendump from the PDF you posted and I also looked on the Vrakking site. Looks like a nice tyre to me, and price at the time was also reasonable! Maybe there is a nice Black friday deal to be had ;-)

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

One of the members of Renault R2087 Forum the made a nice overview of 9.00-16 tyres plus related sizes. It is slightly dated and in French, but very helpful to see what is out there:

One of the tyres mentioned in the French overview is the Michelin XY 9.00-16 tyre with road tread. It is no longer made new but good second hand / NOS examples can be found. Advantages of this tyre are good handling on roads, and a slightly larger diameter than bar grips which helps with fuel economy.

And to my surprise, they fit on WD divided rims without having to modify the rim or tyre! No fitting tricks or extra tyre soap needed, they slip right in.




For reference, I have attached a photo from Phil Waterman’s site showing regular road tread tyres in use during the winter in BC, Canada, during WW2:



Source: http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...20Columbia.htm

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Not a 9.00-16, but it may be good to know that the Mitas 10.50-16 tyres do not fit the split rim. The tyre fitting shop gave it a try but they told me it will not go on.

So I am now looking for someone who can machine the rim to reduce the diameter.

[Harry Moon]

I don't see any lubricant on those tires... I've used tire lubricant and have had success even with very tight tires.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Harry Moon

I don't see any lubricant on those tires... I've used tire lubricant and have had success even with very tight tires.

True, I may need to give it a go myself or try another tyre shop.