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Old 01-03-20, 11:01
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Found the nos tripods I bought years ago. Don't think they are Lucas lamp
Stand. Instrument. No.21 mk5 there is a round leather cap on top.Dated 1943
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Old 01-03-20, 13:49
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Found the nos tripods I bought years ago. Don't think they are Lucas lamp
Stand. Instrument. No.21 mk5 there is a round leather cap on top.Dated 1943
Those are not for the signalling lamp (or heliograph) but they are part of the complete station. That's the telescope tripod for the signalling or scout telescope. (Sadly, the legs are usually shortened drastically by later owners for use with spotting scopes for rifle shooting.)

The Mk.5 has been around for over a century: the one I just looked at (manufactured by Houghton Butcher (a famous camera company)) is a Mk.5 and dated 1916.

The tripod should have a round wooden block on a string to protect the telescope 'jaws' against crushing when not in use, the leather bucket to cover the top (ditto), and a canvas shoulder sling (with a sleeve that fits over the legs) for carrying. (There was also a specialised bit of horse harness for the cavalry to carry tripods.)

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Old 01-03-20, 14:52
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Research Enterprises Ltd in Canada re-worked a lot of those no21mk5 instrument stands. The legs were shortened and the nomenclature on the head was either milled off or changed with the addition of REL and the Designation of C1A1 . There is some school of thought that they were for use with the no4T rifle setups.
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Old 01-03-20, 16:06
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There seem to be no end to the useful and practical pieces the sniper pairs had available. The No.4T sniper rifle "program", for lack of a better word, had some very clever equipment ancillaries. The chest checklist included a handkerchief to wipe lenses. According to Peter Laidler, one of the most respected No.4T writers until his recent requirement to exchange his liberty for a debt to society, mentioned recycling No.4 butt plate springs as pocket screwdrivers.

To your image of a shortened wooden tripod, the checklist states a conventional but quite long draw tube telescope. Your image of a wooden leg tripod makes more sense for prolonged training issue at a school or as range-use equipment. REL made an ingenious tiny folding stand with a pair of jaws to hold the telescope. But I doubt it would stay rigid enough after much handling.
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Old 01-03-20, 17:30
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But I doubt it would stay rigid enough after much handling.

I have the remnants of some of those folding stands that were turned in for scrap. They were still in the supply system at least into the 70s or 80s, and had a NSN assigned to them. I have the "rainbow" tag from them.
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Old 02-03-20, 00:06
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Research Enterprises Ltd in Canada re-worked a lot of those no21mk5 instrument stands. The legs were shortened and the nomenclature on the head was either milled off or changed with the addition of REL and the Designation of C1A1 . There is some school of thought that they were for use with the no4T rifle setups.
Standard for outdoor ranges if you were using the 3-draw 'Scout' or 'Signalling' telescope, which is quite a long beast (with 'High' and 'Low' power eyepieces but everyone seemed to use the high magnification one).

The more modern spotting scopes with prisms and larger object lenses were a lot easier to use, but wouldn't fit those tripods.

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Old 02-03-20, 03:59
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Found a tiny makers stamp

WMC with a N underneath . N would be NSW

FJS & Co Pty LTD 1943 is marked on the leather cap. Aussie disposals had some nice stuff back then . All they have now is ex West German army apparel and other junk. Few years back I did score a few hundred of the Canadian WW2 utility pouches very cheap .
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Old 02-03-20, 04:54
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Found the 'stand lamps and helio mk 11'

Marked RMB 1943
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This is what I've always known as an ALDIS lamp. Hand held and often used for signaling from one ship to another. Ron
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