Here we go again....MV bans.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

What, if you have an interest in preserving military history you shall be stomped on and denied it?????

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/353...collector-says

Ex-military vehicles banned
Province quietly bans ex-military vehicles, West Van collector says
Brent Richter, NorthShoreNews - Dec 7, 2021 / 4:40 pm | Story: 353943

Photo: Mike Wakefield, North Shore News
West Vancouver resident Mark Fleming has been told he will no longer be able to get his former military vehicles inspected and registered for insurance.
A West Vancouver man says the province has quietly banned a class of collector vehicle without justification as to why.

Mark Fleming, an active Canadian Forces reservist who collects and rents former military vehicles, says the province will no longer allow mechanics to give safety inspections to the vehicles, making them uninsurable “expensive paperweights.”

“To be clear, I'm not asking to drive tanks on the road. … What they're saying is a civilian Hummer with a shiny paint job is perfectly legal but a military one with a green or tan paint job is not,” he said.

Fleming has been seeking answers from the ministry since he recently had to refund a client’s purchase of a U.S. military surplus Humvee, when the client learned ICBC would not insure it. The vehicle had been legally imported and inspected, registered and taxed as recently as the summer.

A bulletin issued from the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure’s Commercial Vehicle Safety and Enforcement Branch last month makes it clear to inspectors that they can no longer pass "non-conforming" ex-military vehicles that were “not designed to conform to the standards prescribed in the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) for motor vehicles designed for use on a highway at the time the vehicle was manufactured.”

“A non-conforming ex-military vehicle can ONLY be inspected under MVAR Division 25 Part 1 if its licensed gross vehicle weight is greater than 8,200 kg. Even if a non-conforming ex-military vehicle passes inspection, it is not authorized for unrestricted highway use,” the bulletin reads.

The bulletin doesn’t offer a rationale for the change, but Fleming said it’s a case of the government trying to legislate taste.

“They just don't like military vehicles. It's a taste thing. It's nothing to do with safety, because they're certainly safer than some of the other vehicles that are perfectly legal,” he said, noting anyone can import and register wooden-framed, plastic-bodied "lemons" from around the world.

Fleming has about 40 ex-military vehicles, including tanks, light armoured vehicles, Second World War Jeeps and motorcycles, which he rents out for film shoots, parades, educational and charitable events, and transporting current and former military members to their weddings and funerals.

More than being an arbitrary safety decision, Fleming said it takes away an important hobby for a community of veterans.

“In no small way, it's a kind of therapy for them. We’re talking about guys who have PTSD and stuff like that and they screw in for absolutely no reason,” he said.

Fleming said he hopes the ministry will arrive at a “reasonable” decision and allow safety inspections to proceed again.

The ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

[rob love]

Saskatchewan has also imposed similar restrictions for military vehicles after around 1978 I believe, and indicated they have the right to go back to 1970. They say it's about not having the little certification label on the door piller from transport canada or \fmvss.

An earlier discussion about these two bans and the actual bulletins from the respective provincial departments.:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...t=saskatchewan

[markcos]

https://www.nsnews.com/amp/local-new...yOK5qhRiHYdzto

[markcos]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

What, if you have an interest in preserving military history you shall be stomped on and denied it?????

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/353...collector-says

They Take our guns away and now the MVs ……

[Bob Carriere]

Could they be used to lobby for the hobby?????

Curious....... can you still buy car insurance from the private sector in BC.

Bob C.

[rob love]

The ICBC, like all of the public insurance companies, is compulsory. But it isn't so much a problem with insurance as it is a problem that the department of motor vehicles won't allow an inspection and have essentially banned them from the roadways.
One work around might be to "sell" it to a relative that is out of province and register it there. Because of reciprocal agreements between states and provinces, it would be able to be operated on BC roads. But at some point you might have to answer for why it is continually in BC with an out of province plate.

[Bob Carriere]

They sure know how to do it!!!!!

[Bob Carriere]

“not designed to conform to the standards prescribed in the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) for motor vehicles designed for use on a highway at the time the vehicle was manufactured.”

So a CMP made in Oshawa, Ontario Canada in 1940 was made according to a vehicle of its time.......... even if the original lights were cockeyed!!!!!.....if they rule out CMPs they have to rule out Model T Fords...... or earlier cars with acetylene lights!!!!!

.....or will load the back of the CMP with manure...fresh.... and hang a farmer's red triangle on the tail gate..........

[rob love]

The 1940s were up to the standard of the time....not that there were a lot of standards yet. As to model Ts, here in this province a vehicle must be OEM. Model Ts are fine down the transcanada highway, although there was an accident a few years ago after the thresherman's reunion when a model T was rear ended by a semi. The only thing beyond OEM that is a legislated requirement in manitoba is a license plate light.

When the guys were fighting the ban in Quebec, one of the things that came up was that under DOD rules in the US, vehicles must meet the Federal standards when they are produced. They may not get the testing, and may not have the niceties like airbags, but apparently that helped kill the new Quebec regulations.

[derk derin]

So If military vehicles aren’t safe for road use then how are the Reservists and regular force going to get their vehicles from say Winnipeg to Shilo and back?
Or summer driving students around the city.
If they’re saying the vehicles in civilian hands aren’t safe for the road then what makes them safe if the military’s driving them around on the highways and in the city?
They may have to trailer everything out to the training areas now!
Derk

[rob love]

DND vehicles are federal. They are not subject to provincial inspections or regulations. That includes both the green fleet and the white (commercial) fleet. They are subject to the usual like speeding tickets etc but are exempt from parking meters and tolls.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by rob love

When the guys were fighting the ban in Quebec, one of the things that came up was that under DOD rules in the US, vehicles must meet the Federal standards when they are produced. They may not get the testing, and may not have the niceties like airbags, but apparently that helped kill the new Quebec regulations.

Don't forget the government places itself above the law in some cases. Over here, the MoD can issue their own licence plates, they have their own blocks as the licence plate number is in fact the registration number. They can swap them from vehicle to vehicle. This is otherwise impossible as the VIN is linked 1-on-1 to the licence plate for all other vehicles.
The MoD does not have to insure their vehicles as they are independently risk-bearing, as they say. In other words, if there are damages the government can always pay up as they cannot go bankrupt anyway.
When acquiring the new fleet of trucks (see Dutch Replacing DAF YA-4442 With Scania Gryphus), there were some actors voicing that the new vehicles should be made less complex, e.g. not to have emission control systems. That would make them cheaper, easier to maintain and no-one in Afghanistan and Mali checks emissions, right? After they were delivered, the MoD found out that the new Scania trucks were too high to comply to road regulations The manufacturer is "to come up with a solution" but in the meantime MoD trucks are exempt from height restrictions - which all other trucks on the road have to comply to, of course.

All I am saying is that the fact that military vehicles comply to government standards when they are produced, does not mean you as a private person or as a company can fall back on that as the same government may well have applied some exemptions to those standards for their own good.

[James P]

Originally Posted by derk derin

So If military vehicles aren’t safe for road use then how are the Reservists and regular force going to get their vehicles from say Winnipeg to Shilo and back?
Or summer driving students around the city.
If they’re saying the vehicles in civilian hands aren’t safe for the road then what makes them safe if the military’s driving them around on the highways and in the city?
They may have to trailer everything out to the training areas now!
Derk

The same bureaucratic government "logic" that calls a civilian owned AR15 firearm a "assault weapon that only has one purpose and one alone....to kill as many people in a short a period as possible". Yet calls the same rifle in Mil/LE hands a "Patrol Carbine".

[Duane Leiker]

The USA does or tries the same type legislation here. Without any fanfare or in the dead of night, they pass legislation that would normally never pass. We have people in organizations watching these Politician like a hawk. It all about control.

I mean absolutely no offense but, first they take your guns and now, basically the vehicles you drive on technicalities and overall BS. Is Canada becoming a pure Socialist/Communist/Dictatorial Country?

Just wondering.

[Marc Montgomery]

Suggest contacting Bernard giguere who led thé difficult but successful challenge the quebec ban