WW Service Rifles: Length of Service

[rob love]

The no4mk1, mk1* and no4mk2 were only retired from service in the last 3 or 4 years. They were used with the ranger program in the North. As stocks of rifles became short, the Cdn government bought rifles in the late 90s and again about 10 years later from other countries stocks. As such, no4mk2 rifles made it into the system.



Another variant of the rifle, the Cno7, was introduced in 1944, with the majority produced from 44 to 46. Small numbers were made agian in the early 50s. They remain in service primarily with the cadet programs, although in recent years most were converted to drill rifles.



Another long-term weapon is the M2HB 50BMG. They were upgraded to Quick Change Barrel in the late 90s, and were partially withdrawn from service after Afghanistan. However, many have returned to service, and continue to soldier on. They can be found with Ww2 dates as well as some of the CAL produced ones for aircraft (M3AC Basic) which have since been converted to Ground mount and QCB.

[Neil Ashley]

In the UK Air and Sea Cadets still had No.4's for Drill purposes up until about 15 yeare ago.

Some dealers over here sell DP's as standard deacts with the wood work replaced as necessary to disguise their origins.

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by rob love

Another long-term weapon is the M2HB 50BMG. They can be found with Ww2 dates .......

Wasn't there a post here on MLU that brand-new, in-the-grease WW2-manufactured Inglis 9mm Browning Hi Power pistols were being issued from stores for the first time for service in Afghanistan in 2001? Some sighted examples had pristine "Canada/Kanada" Aid decals. I recall humorous comments that they were up 3 times older than the soldiers that received them.

[rob love]

Yes Tony, that is a fact. They are still being issued and are still the principal handgun of the Cdn Forces. Their build dates will be 1944 and 1945......possibly 1946 but I believe those went to the Chinese.

The government, instead of buying an off the shelf replacement or perhaps tagging along with the US army on their selection, have instead gone it alone and also want Colt Canada to be involved. The time taken to purchase a simple handgun has entered into the comical zone. This started at least 15 years ago.

[REL]

Originally Posted by rob love

Yes Tony, that is a fact. They are still being issued and are still the principal handgun of the Cdn Forces. Their build dates will be 1944 and 1945......possibly 1946 but I believe those went to the Chinese.

The government, instead of buying an off the shelf replacement or perhaps tagging along with the US army on their selection, have instead gone it alone and also want Colt Canada to be involved. The time taken to purchase a simple handgun has entered into the comical zone. This started at least 15 years ago.

And now it has been announced the remaining 2000 or so are going to be destroyed. Why not send them to the Ukraine?

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Wasn't there a post here on MLU that brand-new, in-the-grease WW2-manufactured Inglis 9mm Browning Hi Power pistols were being issued from stores for the first time for service in Afghanistan in 2001? Some sighted examples had pristine "Canada/Kanada" Aid decals. I recall humorous comments that they were up 3 times older than the soldiers that received them.

In 1990 for the Gulf War my unit (90 HQ & Sigs Sqn) was stood up in a hurry using a generic Army signals squadron org chart with a hundred staff officers and assorted strap hangers tagged in. There was no parent unit to steal from.

My C7 rifle came out of a big cardboard box. Many of the NCO's and officers' Brownings were brand new from War Stocks. I was stunned to see at least two with perfect decals. Never mind the age, guns like that were more useful than some of the people they were issued to! I can think of a few castoffs posted to get them away from their COs. In my case I was a Pte Clerk with the right selection criteria (Division-level HQ experience, qualified, fit, available, volunteer, mature, previous green experience)