Wanted: Sexton Lights

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Tom Millward

Yes Bruce those are the ones. Is there a proper name for them?

I'm sure there is but I usually just call them early CMP headlamp pots as they are used on 11/12 cab CMPs and a larger number of Canadian armoured vehicles. The variation used on vehicles like Mk.1 carriers are identical except for brackets on the sides for posts instead of the fitting for the nut on the bottom.

I had listed these for sale and they actually look better in person than in the pics. They don't have the mirror reflector that takes the headlamp and marker lamp bulbs.

[rob love]

I believe those Cdn style headlights are actually slightly economized Ford tractor headlamps form the 1920s/30s. I have one out in the shed that is extremely close to the CMP headlamp, with the exception of a little more ornate retaining ring.

[Tom Millward]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

I'm sure there is but I usually just call them early CMP headlamp pots as they are used on 11/12 cab CMPs and a larger number of Canadian armoured vehicles. The variation used on vehicles like Mk.1 carriers are identical except for brackets on the sides for posts instead of the fitting for the nut on the bottom.

I had listed these for sale and they actually look better in person than in the pics. They don't have the mirror reflector that takes the headlamp and marker lamp bulbs.

Hi Rob, do you still have these lights for sale or have they gone to a new home?

I message Brian, but unfortunately it seems he only has the Carrier type.

Cheers,

Tom

[Bob Phillips]

Hi Tom, just seeking clarification, you need a PAIR ( ie left and right) ?

[Bob Phillips]

Something like this?

headlamp1.jpg headlamp2.jpg

[rob love]

I opened a crate of those last year here at the museum. They did need the reflectors polished a little bit (they tarnish) and the wiring replaced as the covering was cracking from old age, but it's always hard to beat NOS.

[Colin Alford]

Tom,

The early Sextons with 3-piece differentials used the same headlights as Ram Tanks (similar to Canadian Mk 1* Universal Carrier headlights but with a threaded fitting to attach the wiring conduit rather than a bushed hole on a Carrier light).

Late Sexton IIs used US pedestal headlights attached near the outside edges of the superstructure.

I just did a quick search for war-time images of early Sexton IIs with one-piece differentials. While many of the images are out-of-focus, or there are visual obstructions, my initial interpretation is that they used the same headlights as Ram Tanks/ early Sextons.

The only images I found with headlight brackets similar to your example, are post-war images which might indicate a post-war modification.

I suspect that fitting a CMP-type headlight to your existing brackets would place the headlights too high and not fully protected by the curved guard.

I don't have access to any Sexton parts lists, but I suggest additional research to determine the correct war-time headlights/headlight brackets for this vehicle.

I can attempt to find some images this evening.

Colin

[rob love]

I guess I am kind of lucky because there is a Sexton sitting about 30 feet from my desk. And on the other side of the wall, so maybe 4 feet as the crow flies, there is a 1943 original copy of the Sexton manual, book serial number A1251.
I am going to lazily post some photos of the relevant pages, but if the public demands it, I can try and for a bit better photos. Scanning is out as the book is bound.