Early Pattern 11 Chev 4x2 ??

[Bob Carriere]

First thank you Joe for the presence of mind of documenting that cab 11. It is certainly worthwhile trying to gather as much info/pictures as possible for this vehicle and the other possible one suspected to exist out West.

Hanno......... what ever happened to the older registry that a few well guided individuals put together in the late 70s or 80s...... they were done possibly pre computers and a labour of love to say the least. Are there any digital copies still recoverable and could they become a separate thread on MLU???? I envision a special thread that would allow individual to enter their own information and the Forum system would automatically sort them out in descending numbers and sortable by date, location, current owner, etc.
....is such a thing feasible so that once created it would be self maintaining??

There are rumours of a very very early Ford in the outskirts of Ottawa. I have seen the vehicle but did not inspect closely at the time as I was disappointed with the fact it had the later version louvered air vents ........ but certainly worth a second visit which I will do a.s.a.p before it gets worst here around Ottawa.

Winter time is certainly not the best weather wise to go trampling in backroads to check out things but it could be the best time to search out existing copies of these early registry.

I tend to take pictures of every cab 13 data plates I come across......sadly usually missing along with the engine covers of earlier cab 11 and 12 and would happily share on MLU. MLU members must rememebr that only those pictures actually posted on the Forum remain in archives of MLU all other Photo site that provided posting services are very much time sensitive and will disappear eventually. Can the current format of MLU handle the extra documentation and the storage requirements????

I am sure that many of us have in our computers photos or other data that could be pulled together to further document current or even past information.

To allow us to dream ......is it time to remember our timely $$$ contribution to the up keep of the Forum?????

Cheers

[rob love]

I suspect you are talking about Peter Ford's infoex. He recorded every number he could find. This was in the pre-internet days. Once can only imagine what could be achieved now.



I have not seen an earlier Chev unless you go into the pilot and protoype vehicles. I always regarded serial 138 as the earliest production vehicle, but there were 137 earlier examples so who knows?

[Joe Lorenzino]

Just received pictures of the truck in the farmer's yard before it was recovered in the summer of 96. Appears to have gained and lost a couple of things along the way..
Were the marker lights on the roof Standard for all licensed trucks at that time??
Have found them an virtually ALL CMPs recovered so far??

[Joe Lorenzino]

Here are some Old photos of the "Ponteix" truck, which appears to be a near twin to the DB "Neville" truck above. I had taken these back in the mid 70's when the original owner farmed near the family homestead, and was a friend of my Uncle. Again a Chevy with a Ford grill, pressed steel bumper, no front vents, ETC.
After the owner passed away, his son got it running again, ( may have rebuilt the engine ) and it was sold to a nearby neighbour with a passion for collecting. Believe he too has passed on, but that the truck is still in his family.
The 2A1 box was still out in the pasture when these pictures were taken. It had been unbolted set on some blocks, and was in very pristinely "complete" condition. It ended up on another Pattern 11 4X2 restoration in Moose Jaw. Note missing roof fasteners, and farmer applied galvanized conduit hold downs.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Lovely truck!

I do have to comment on the grille; It's not a specific Ford grille. Cab 11's, Ford and Chev, used the same style grille made of woven mesh. The Diamond pattern style grille for Chev's wasn't introduced until cab 12 production and even those sometimes had square mesh or even a combination of diamond and square woven mesh.
My Cab11 C8 also had the keyed ignition, so it could be that these were also used until the later part of 1940, although mine could have been added later in it's life.


David Hayward did have the truck in his files; which can partly be found here:
http://hotrod.gregwapling.com/chev-t...dian-chev.html

[Bob Carriere]

Now that I have saved everything in a new folder I have some questions?comments....

I believe that Yes there may have been a requirements for all trucks to look like trucks and most CMP had roof lights added...... so it would look like a truck.

Now has a restored vehicle, at least in Ontario and not used commercially it can be made to comply to the lighting supplied at time of manufacture.... however it may not be very safe t drive after sun set as the original lights are not really that visible.......

Also nothing new with the make shift "galvanized roof stays"..... they served a purpose and often seen on long living CMPs in Australia where they used a small steel cable to the same end....... that is to keep the cab together and keep the roof from flapping in the breeze at speed.....

Now the hasty design (British influenced) called for a trapezoid shaped cab/roof design that was held rigid by a back wall bolted to the floor and the roof upper section bolted to the windshield support with a wooden skelton frame...... wood dried up, the screws became loose and ....voila ,,, a flapping roof section that need to be held down....so a rigid pipe of r a steel cable resolved the problem quite well. The whole cab design was typical of the wooden vehicle frame of the period, Add to this rough road driving and the habitual boarding process of the occupant who very gingerly hoisted themselves aboard by putting most of their body weight on the fully open poorly hinged door......... then slamming it shut. So the door sagged and the rear cab wall was stretched and the roof wooden connection too the rigid windshield wooden link failed...... hihihi..... and some times the door latch would not keep the door closed as the door cab opening got longer and the latch protruding device was lengthened with a brazed extension to allow it to latch....... all to be restored later by use collectors.

Alex...... your comments are very appropriate as I do not recall ever seeing a cab 11 with ou the proverbial Chevy wooven grill......... and I do have some cab 12 wooven grills as well........always explained it has part shortages and the rush to move vehicles off the plant floor......I beleive the same things happened to Fords with GM axles...... I am also aware of an very very early cab 11 CGT unrestored vehicle with particularly weird GM heavy duty cast rear and front axles..... not to mention the odd Ford GS with a GM front axle cast mixed to rear Ford axle other version and Ford GS with two GM late version GM axles. It seemed that keeping the production line going was top priority. Of course we can't discount later field repairs with mix parts as they were available...... confusing to say the least.

Now if we could only see the data plates of the second cab 11 from Ponteix...

Now as to the key ignition mentioned by Alex.......... what is the prevailing story....... is it that all early models had keys..... and that became cumbersome in the service so the key was replaced my a funny little chromed device that was permanently installed in the key slot???? any idea when that changed occurred????..... as in only seen keys on cab 11 with no vents???

Puzzling ........ must check my photos of earlier dash set up on C8......


One puzzling question, then I am out of here for supper.....
I tried to make a copy of the link you attached for the detailed production info by David but keep hitting the proverbial post smack between the yes....

How do I save a copy for reference in my hard drive????

It's been fun now for a beer.

BobC

[Alex van de Wetering]

I tried to make a copy of the link you attached for the detailed production info by David but keep hitting the proverbial post smack between the yes....

I would try either pressing Ctrl+P and than save/print as a PDF.....or press Ctrl-A to select all text and drop in a Word file so you can save, or print, it. I do know the link has come up on the forum before and Hanno even made a sticky for it.

Bob, the most important question....is it supper or beer? Or a combination of both?
I have had enough beer....I am off to bed

[rob love]

One way to save it is, when you are on the page, right click and select "take screen shot". Then when it gives you a choice, select "save full page". That will get you the entire database. When you open it, it will be small.. You will have to enlarge it to readable and use your curser to scroll down.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Hanno......... what ever happened to the older registry that a few well guided individuals put together in the late 70s or 80s...... they were done possibly pre computers and a labour of love to say the least. Are there any digital copies still recoverable and could they become a separate thread on MLU???? I envision a special thread that would allow individual to enter their own information and the Forum system would automatically sort them out in descending numbers and sortable by date, location, current owner, etc.
....is such a thing feasible so that once created it would be self maintaining??

Bob, if you are referring to Peter Ford's CMP-INFOEX, I have a copy thanks to Robert Morrison. I will look up the number (sometime soon).

Keith Webb used to have a CMP database on his website, but this has gone offline.

Same is true for the database compiled on The Canadian Register & CMP Owners club website, also gone offline but it can still be found in the internet archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20160325.../database.html

I am dreaming of an online database which can be updated by MLU members themselves, rather than one or two people having to process everything that gets sent to them. Been there, done that >

[Bob Carriere]

A simple design that can be updated by individual members and can be updated only by the originating member.....nothing to add burden to the admin. or moderators.

A project for next year....... which is almost here!!!!