Early Pattern 11 Chev 4x2 ??

[Joe Lorenzino]

Here are some Old photos of the "Ponteix" truck, which appears to be a near twin to the DB "Neville" truck above. I had taken these back in the mid 70's when the original owner farmed near the family homestead, and was a friend of my Uncle. Again a Chevy with a Ford grill, pressed steel bumper, no front vents, ETC.
After the owner passed away, his son got it running again, ( may have rebuilt the engine ) and it was sold to a nearby neighbour with a passion for collecting. Believe he too has passed on, but that the truck is still in his family.
The 2A1 box was still out in the pasture when these pictures were taken. It had been unbolted set on some blocks, and was in very pristinely "complete" condition. It ended up on another Pattern 11 4X2 restoration in Moose Jaw. Note missing roof fasteners, and farmer applied galvanized conduit hold downs.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Lovely truck!

I do have to comment on the grille; It's not a specific Ford grille. Cab 11's, Ford and Chev, used the same style grille made of woven mesh. The Diamond pattern style grille for Chev's wasn't introduced until cab 12 production and even those sometimes had square mesh or even a combination of diamond and square woven mesh.
My Cab11 C8 also had the keyed ignition, so it could be that these were also used until the later part of 1940, although mine could have been added later in it's life.


David Hayward did have the truck in his files; which can partly be found here:
http://hotrod.gregwapling.com/chev-t...dian-chev.html

[Bob Carriere]

Now that I have saved everything in a new folder I have some questions?comments....

I believe that Yes there may have been a requirements for all trucks to look like trucks and most CMP had roof lights added...... so it would look like a truck.

Now has a restored vehicle, at least in Ontario and not used commercially it can be made to comply to the lighting supplied at time of manufacture.... however it may not be very safe t drive after sun set as the original lights are not really that visible.......

Also nothing new with the make shift "galvanized roof stays"..... they served a purpose and often seen on long living CMPs in Australia where they used a small steel cable to the same end....... that is to keep the cab together and keep the roof from flapping in the breeze at speed.....

Now the hasty design (British influenced) called for a trapezoid shaped cab/roof design that was held rigid by a back wall bolted to the floor and the roof upper section bolted to the windshield support with a wooden skelton frame...... wood dried up, the screws became loose and ....voila ,,, a flapping roof section that need to be held down....so a rigid pipe of r a steel cable resolved the problem quite well. The whole cab design was typical of the wooden vehicle frame of the period, Add to this rough road driving and the habitual boarding process of the occupant who very gingerly hoisted themselves aboard by putting most of their body weight on the fully open poorly hinged door......... then slamming it shut. So the door sagged and the rear cab wall was stretched and the roof wooden connection too the rigid windshield wooden link failed...... hihihi..... and some times the door latch would not keep the door closed as the door cab opening got longer and the latch protruding device was lengthened with a brazed extension to allow it to latch....... all to be restored later by use collectors.

Alex...... your comments are very appropriate as I do not recall ever seeing a cab 11 with ou the proverbial Chevy wooven grill......... and I do have some cab 12 wooven grills as well........always explained it has part shortages and the rush to move vehicles off the plant floor......I beleive the same things happened to Fords with GM axles...... I am also aware of an very very early cab 11 CGT unrestored vehicle with particularly weird GM heavy duty cast rear and front axles..... not to mention the odd Ford GS with a GM front axle cast mixed to rear Ford axle other version and Ford GS with two GM late version GM axles. It seemed that keeping the production line going was top priority. Of course we can't discount later field repairs with mix parts as they were available...... confusing to say the least.

Now if we could only see the data plates of the second cab 11 from Ponteix...

Now as to the key ignition mentioned by Alex.......... what is the prevailing story....... is it that all early models had keys..... and that became cumbersome in the service so the key was replaced my a funny little chromed device that was permanently installed in the key slot???? any idea when that changed occurred????..... as in only seen keys on cab 11 with no vents???

Puzzling ........ must check my photos of earlier dash set up on C8......


One puzzling question, then I am out of here for supper.....
I tried to make a copy of the link you attached for the detailed production info by David but keep hitting the proverbial post smack between the yes....

How do I save a copy for reference in my hard drive????

It's been fun now for a beer.

BobC

[Alex van de Wetering]

I tried to make a copy of the link you attached for the detailed production info by David but keep hitting the proverbial post smack between the yes....

I would try either pressing Ctrl+P and than save/print as a PDF.....or press Ctrl-A to select all text and drop in a Word file so you can save, or print, it. I do know the link has come up on the forum before and Hanno even made a sticky for it.

Bob, the most important question....is it supper or beer? Or a combination of both?
I have had enough beer....I am off to bed

[rob love]

One way to save it is, when you are on the page, right click and select "take screen shot". Then when it gives you a choice, select "save full page". That will get you the entire database. When you open it, it will be small.. You will have to enlarge it to readable and use your curser to scroll down.

[Bob Carriere]

WE had Atlantic snow grabs with sticky mushroom rice AND beer.....

Now to get back to Alex about the ignition key issue.....

Is it safe to assume that very early CMPs had the off the shelf ignition switch with unique keys.....which became cumbersome in service...... so all further model had the ignition key modified with the addition of a chromed insert permanently installed so any one could start the vehicle.....

Here are two photos of instrument clusters...

First one is a very very early C8 Cab 11 ( no registration plate on the engine cover)........ switch lettering looks silk screen printed???
"HEATER" ( Yes it did have a small circular civilian heater located in the pass foot well) a "PLATE" switch ( license plate?) and the last one barely readable as "PANEL" for the lights inside the civilian cluster.

The second photo is my C15a....serial 035xx so not a very early model with vents but NO marker lights on the front fenders, no hooks on dash, no rear axle convoy light, no water expansion tank........

Are there other "ODDITY" that would help identify veryearly production CMPs?

On the David H. listing ....... I do have a copy but was obsessed with how to capture a copy of the link.....and could not remember how to do it. Will now try out the suggested tricks.....

....and tonite for a light supper.....assorted cold cuts, prosciutto, shrimps, soft cheese, Dried Summer German sausage, Italian bread sticks and a cold bottle of ( in honor of our friend down under) Australian Blue Oyster Chardonnay.......

Bon appetit.........

first picture is my cab 11 the other the early C8

[Bob Carriere]

Alex's trick worked............. Rob my computer on right click did not give me the option to "take screen shot" ...... but select all and when I try to copy in another folder I get a blank.....

Anyways I got it in my reference documents twice now....... separate drives.

Thanks

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Alex

Could not find any information that is even remotely similar to the serial number of my C15a.... which reads 0 8444 03851...... model 84-44 originally had a Tonawanda(buffulo) engine......

Is there a listing of the 10 digit serial number just for the CMPs????

One could question if the serial numbers were sequencial by model ##_## or sequential to the assembly line when there are photos of assembly lines showing CMPs mixed with MCP and other vehicles.....

Clive had written that 11,000 Ford and 10,500 Chevs were assembled/built between star of production to Dec. 31st 1940 but not specifying if that included
MCP, and other vehicles!!!! in 1941 they did 61061 vehicles.....?

Still digging now in the parts book for info on :first series or for those built after serial XXXXXX for clues.

Bob C