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Old 03-06-22, 12:27
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Here's an example of CKD kits, which are made up of parts and components which have not been assembled before. A CKD kit comprised the necessary numbers of subassemblies and parts for a given quantity of chassis which would be assembled in much the same way as it was done in the Canadian factory using locally produced parts as much as possible.

Interesting to see these Cab 11 or 12 cowls in Light Stone, while the seats are painted Khaki. In the background is a case holding "body & chassis"

"Original Toronto Star caption: Tools For Britain are rolling out in ever-increasing numbers from Canada's factories; and 24 United States newspapermen saw them roll yesterday at General Motors Oshawa Plant. Here some of them see the cab of an army truck; being readied for shipment."
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CKD = Completely Knocked Down; kits of components in crates that when they arrived were a major headache as crates were lost and mixed up.

SKD = Semi Knocked Down; replaced CKD in England after first few hundred CMPs. Basically, as I understand, complete vehicles but disassembled into crates.

SUP = Single Unit Packs; complete vehicles without say bodies, shipped uncrated perhaps

TUP = Twin Unit Packs; two crates. I understand that these were two vehicles in one crate, as against one vehicle in two crates.

I believe that Holden's received CKD, SKD and SUP/TUP crates. Those chasiss that were CKD were components shipped across for complete assembly with Holden-built cabs, thus acquiring Holden chassis numbers. Those shipped SKD etc. were complete vehicles requiring some form of assembly or at the least bodying and thus carried a plate from the original N American plant.
We should get this right once and for all.

CKD, Completely Knocked Down, is an really a different manufacturing system, rather than a different type of crating for shipment.

One type of manufacturing is to source all the parts required to assemble a certain type of vehicle, and assemble them into a working vehicle at an assembly plant in country A, test it, after which it is scrutinised and accepted by a goverment official. After full assembly, it can be partly dismantled and crated to be shipped to it's destination in country B. The crating can be done at the assembly plant, or at a depot type of facility where vehicles are prepared for shipment.

Some types of vehicle can be easily (partly) dismantled and will be crated, others (like tanks) are sealed for weather influences. SKD , SUP, TUP etc. are all methods of packing complete vehicles into crates for shipping. At the destination nothing more than labour and tools are needed to uncrate the vehicle and re-attach the bits that have been removed to decrease it´s volume for efficient shipping.

Now, Completely Knocked Down means sourcing some parts required to assemble a certain type of vehicle in country A, crate these parts, and ship them to an assembly plant in country B where the shipped parts are uncrated and locally sourced parts are feeded to the assembly line after which a complete, running vehicle will emerge for the first time.

In the case of e.g. the Indian deliveries, Ford and Chevrolet both had local assembly plants or contractors, so they only had to send over chassis, engines, gearboxes, axles, cowl parts, etc. The local assembly plant(s) sourced bodywork, tyres, cab parts etc. to complete the vehicle.

I hope this sets the record straight.

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Old 01-01-23, 18:11
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Cross posted from http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...1631#post61631:
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We then have:
"SUP" or SINGLE UNIT PACKS
"PKD" or PARTLY KOCKED DOWN
"TUP" or TWIN UNIT PACKS
"FBU" or Fully Built-Up which was possibly crated, usually not so, complete vehicles shipped in the hold say.
A Cab 11 or 12 CMP in a Single Unit Pack.

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Old 01-01-23, 23:48
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Interesting to see these Cab 11 or 12 cowls in Light Stone, while the seats are painted Khaki.
I'd say Cab 12. My first indicator was the valves for the footwell vents. Then I saw the hinges for the opening hood of the Cab 12.
The cases in the background say Chevrolet and the features of the cabs do seem to match Chevrolet (but I haven't checked enough details to be 100% that they can't be Fords).
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Old 01-01-23, 23:55
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I'd say Cab 12. My first indicator was the valves for the footwell vents. Then I saw the hinges for the opening hood of the Cab 12.
The cases in the background say Chevrolet and the features of the cabs do seem to match Chevrolet (but I haven't checked enough details to be 100% that they can't be Fords).
I agree..Chev Cab12's. Excellent picture

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A Cab 11 or 12 CMP in a Single Unit Pack.
Early Ford F15 or F15A cab11 is my best guess. You can see the small radiator cap, Ford dash, and absence of door hooks and knobs for the cab vents.
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Old 02-01-23, 00:27
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I agree..Chev Cab12's. Excellent picture



Early Ford F15 or F15A cab11 is my best guess. You can see the small radiator cap, Ford dash, and absence of door hooks and knobs for the cab vents.
Let me be a dissenting voice. I say Ford 11 cab. The instrument cluster and switches look Ford and you can see a rad cap on the cowl that wouldn't be there on a 12 cab.
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Old 02-01-23, 01:02
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Does anyone know where I can find a CMP in a box? There must be some stashed away somewhere.

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Old 02-01-23, 03:36
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I think the photograph needs to be flipped to get the instrument cluster on the correct right side.

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