Info wanted on Sherman IC T 269916

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here’s the info provided by Mark Tonner many years ago

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...959#post101959

[Maurice Donckers]

Thanks , Must be an age thing , I rememberred asking this before , but couldn`t remember where .
As a side thing is they mentionned RAM 25 pr , so no Sexton name at that time .

[Jakko Westerbeke]

Something to remember about official names in the Second World War, is that a lot of them were only popularised by (if you ask me) the early AFV historians/authors in the 1960s and beyond. Yes, the official name of the Ram with 25-pounder was Sexton, but that doesn’t mean it was in common use everywhere, or even anywhere. But due to the influence of those early authors, everybody today uses that name for the vehicle.

Other examples of this:

• “Firefly” for “17-pounder Sherman” — Firefly, as well as Mayfly, during the war frequently meant “anything armed with a 17-pounder gun”.
• “Achilles” for “17-pounder M10” — Achilles was the official British name for any 3-in GMC M10 whether with the original gun or the 17-pounder, but pretty much nobody ever used that.
• “Buffalo” for the LVT(2) and “Water Buffalo” for the LVT(4) — in British service, they were generally just called “LVT”.
• “Honey” for the light tank M3 — this apparently comes from some American press coverage of a British tanker saying “it’s a honey!” about a new tank he just took delivery of.
• “Wolverine” for the 3-in GMC M10 and “Hellcat” for the 3-in GMC M18 — AFAIK these are both names thought up by the advertising departments of the American companies building them.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Jakko Westerbeke

Something to remember about official names in the Second World War, ....

... is to have a look at this table with British designations for US medium tanks and related AFVs.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Maurice Donckers

Thanks , Must be an age thing , I remembered asking this before , but couldn`t remember where .

No probs, happy to help searching.

And posting the question again brought it under the attention of Kevin T who could add new info.

[Tim Bell]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here’s the info provided by Mark Tonner many years ago

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...959#post101959

Following this link back and the other links, there is mention of research by Tony Viste in 2007 with a now defunct link. Does anyone know where this research is now?

With respect Fireflies and the Canadian army - see attached - which suggests 60 were allocated with 45 going to regiments and 15 reserve.

It is possible that Maurice's IC was in the reserve stock... certainly my VC appears to have arrived in NWE in Jan 45 and been passed from one delivery regiment to another until being issued to 21st CAR at the start of April 45 (possibly a replacement after losses in the Hochwald gap).

To be sure about Maurice's I suspect it needs to be tracked back through the records with the Elgin Regiment

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Tim

[kevinT]

To be sure about Maurice's I suspect it needs to be tracked back through the records with the Elgin Regiment

Hi Tim,

I will have a check and see if it turns up anywhere else but I did find it here with F Sqn.

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...eel_t12740/465

and here

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...el_t12740/1268

and here

https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...el_t12740/1273


Cheers

Kevin

[Maurice Donckers]

From what I found out Earlyer , they all ended up at Holten in the Netherlands , Mine is on that list , as well as the one Owned by Staman . somehow they all ended in Belgium .

[Tim Bell]

Originally Posted by kevinT

Hi Tim,

I will have a check and see if it turns up anywhere else but I did find it with F Sqn.

Cheers

Kevin

In summary this gives the following... which I guess requires a dive into the 164 and E Sqn war diaries.

MD-IC-T269916 - History.jpg

Tim

[tankbarrell]

25th CADR were supplying the whole of 21st Army Group, both Canadian and British, I believe.

[Jakko Westerbeke]

Originally Posted by Tim Bell

Does anyone know where this research is now

I tried the Wayback Machine, but unfortunately it hasn’t archived that page

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Jakko Westerbeke

I tried the Wayback Machine, but unfortunately it hasn’t archived that page

With so much crap being accessible for eternity, it is a shame this wasn't captured - plus Tony Vista has not been active on this forum for multiple years

[Tim Bell]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

With so much crap being accessible for eternity, it is a shame this wasn't captured - plus Tony Vista has not been active on this forum for multiple years

Maybe someone here knows him and can ask?