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Old 30-07-23, 00:35
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Jakko, here's a photo of a stranded LVT-4 on Walcheren you may or may not have seen before:

http://hdl.handle.net/10648/9d880b0c...f-544e2a463400

Dated 1945, so this was taken after the fighting.

Attachment 135165
Great photo! It somehow escaped me so far. Zooming in we can see the callsign 2F (in outline) and the name AUTHIE inside a rectangle:
LVT4 2F 'AUTHIE' nr LVT4 3B Pennant P582220x -149-0676.jpg

2F AUTHIE.jpg

The style of both markings is the same as on 2A ROUVRES. ROUVRES is given by B.T. White as 77 Aslt Sqn RE, but he has erred before and I do not know what his source was:
LVT4 2A 'ROUVRES' Polsten #32 AoS 1233 or 1234, Terneuzen 27 Oct 44 - FO032537.jpg

Another similarly styled callsign is 2E below, but the name (possibly BERNIERES) is inside a dark rectangle (which may come from using a different filter) instead of a light shaded one on 2F:
LVT4 2E name 'BERNIERES' maybe, 2B or 2D 'name' AoS 1233 Pennant, LVT2 3F - FO007628.jpg

Since 2 Tp 80 Aslt Sqn was at BERNIERES on 6 June 1944, AUTHIE on 8 July and ROUVRES on 14 August, I believe there is little doubt left that these three vehicles belonged to it. In the same vein, in 1 Tp the commander's LVT was named ESQUAY, where he had had a close shave on 15 July when his AVRE was set on fire.

LVT 3B might also belong to the same Sqn, because the style of the call sign is quite different from the very distinctive ones of 3 Tp 26 and 79 Aslt Sqns. I have no confirmed photo of 3 Tp 77 Aslt Sqn though.

Michel

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Old 30-07-23, 12:02
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the name AUTHIE
I think it says AUTHE, without an I.

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in 1 Tp the commander's LVT was named ESQUAY
That would be this one, I suppose:

LVT Zoutelande.jpg

That photo was taken here:

Zoutelande oblique aerial photo late 1940s.jpg

… which is, oh, approximately three minutes’ walk from where I’m sitting now typing this. Though I’m in a part of town that’s still farmer’s fields in the photo above.
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Old 30-07-23, 13:11
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I think it says AUTHE, without an I.

That would be this one, I suppose:

Attachment 135214

That photo was taken here:

Attachment 135215

… which is, oh, approximately three minutes’ walk from where I’m sitting now typing this. Though I’m in a part of town that’s still farmer’s fields in the photo above.
Jakko,

AUTHE without the "I" doesn't make sense.

Yes, this is that (and probably the only) ESQUAY. See here and here

What about a nlce Now photo Jakko? See you in 7 minutes then

Michel
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Old 30-07-23, 14:30
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On the mirrored version image number 934-9744 the 'I' in AUTHIE is (slightly) more visible/guessable:
934-9744 - LVT4 2F AUTHIE mirrored - corrected - CU 2.jpg
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Old 30-07-23, 15:39
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AUTHE without the "I" doesn't make sense.
Well, other than referring to a village of 91 people instead of 1700 … But yes, in the other photo, the I is actually visible. Poor typography, though …

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What about a nlce Now photo Jakko?
IMG_9972.JPG

The ice-cream shop (with the striped awnings) is the house that Esquay was in front of; the street to the right of it is where the house was, that’s side-on to the main street in the 1944 photo, and the house to the right of that in that photo, is the one to the right of the street in the “now” picture.

I stood here to take that photo, looking northeast. The building that was behind me when I did, is now a small supermarket (and has been for as long as I can remember), but was the main village shop in 1944 — the man with the flat cap in the photo of Esquay was the shopkeeper.

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See you in 7 minutes then
You say that as a joke, but I looked at my watch when I left home (15:21) and when I came back from taking that photo (15:28)

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Old 31-07-23, 16:28
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Wow! This must be the fastest Now photo ever! Your time/distance estimate was spot on then. Did you have time to get an ice cream?


Thank you for the details too. It is not frequent that individuals, especially civilians, can be identified. And contrary to most people photographed in front of military vehicles, they had the politeness not to obscure any of the markings (the uncommon height of the LVT might have helped though ).
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Old 31-07-23, 19:51
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Did you have time to get an ice cream?
I count nine people in the queue there — I don’t think I would have been able to get an ice cream in the approximately one minute I was there

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Thank you for the details too. It is not frequent that individuals, especially civilians, can be identified.
I seem to remember you have a copy of my book … check page 49, it identifies all of them (With the errata here that Roos de Visser should be Koos de Visser — thank you, old-fashioned handwriting with a swirly K on a slip of paper with the original photo …)

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And contrary to most people photographed in front of military vehicles, they had the politeness not to obscure any of the markings (the uncommon height of the LVT might have helped though ).
You may already have these two photos, but one of them shows the markings better, the other, the people

LVT Zoutelande 2.jpgLVT Zoutelande 1.jpg
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Old 21-10-23, 11:04
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I got sent this the other day, it was apparently posted to Facebook:

T148656 1950s.jpg

It’s obviously T148656, and because it’s on grass and missing the flail drive shaft, it was probably taken in the 1950s when the tank was outside the war museum north of Westkapelle village.
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