On the road to Syria

[Mike K]

With Syria in the news so much this pic is of interest

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...d_to_Syria.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._Palestine.jpg

Can anyone ID the unit ?

Another pic

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...El_Kantara.jpg

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

Can anyone ID the unit ?

Formation sign: Black swan on Yellow background = 1st Australia Corps MEF
Unit Serial: 308 = Anti-Malarial Unit

[motto]

I wonder at the origins of the Chev in the 3rd photo as it has an interesting mix of features. On this type of truck (RHD Modified Civilian) I would have expected the windscreen to be the wind out type with concealed hinges, not the full military swing out type with external hinges and slider at each end. Add to this the civilian type bumper, commercial parking lights, single windscreen wiper, non military looking cargo body and what may possibly be 18 inch tyres and it becomes a bit of a puzzle how it came to be?
Would it have been sourced from Canada or the U.S.? Would it have been shipped direct to the M.E. or via Australia? Is it an odd one out or were there more like this?
The more you see of these trucks the more unanswered questions arise.

David

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by motto

I wonder at the origins of the Chev in the 3rd photo as it has an interesting mix of features. On this type of truck (RHD Modified Civilian) I would have expected the windscreen to be the wind out type with concealed hinges, not the full military swing out type with external hinges and slider at each end. Add to this the civilian type bumper, commercial parking lights, single windscreen wiper, non military looking cargo body and what may possibly be 18 inch tyres and it becomes a bit of a puzzle how it came to be?
Would it have been sourced from Canada or the U.S.? Would it have been shipped direct to the M.E. or via Australia? Is it an odd one out or were there more like this?
The more you see of these trucks the more unanswered questions arise.

David

Not being an expert , the cab looks like a GMH built cab, the opening screen is a brass frame I believe . It's not unusual for a GMH assembled 1941 Chevy to have the civilian type park lights . Mike C may tell us more from the AIF number plate .

Thanks Tony for the unit ID . Can anybody make a guess , the two colours on the utility ? Light Stone and Black maybe . I have two of these 1940 utes in rough shape . I am missing the rear bodywork .

here are a few more

I reckon the lighter colour has been applied over the dark shade of Green ? It is a rough paint job on the 123" wheelbase 1 Ton Van . The rectangular vent on the cowl side is a dead giveaway ..GMH built cab

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[Mike K]

Here we go Motto

The cab is GM-H built as seen in this pic of Driver Tom .... another thing is the quarter windows in the doors , seen on Australian cabs .

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._Palestine.jpg

[motto]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

Not being an expert , the cab looks like a GMH built cab, the opening screen is a brass frame I believe . It's not unusual for a GMH assembled 1941 Chevy to have the civilian type park lights . Mike C may tell us more from the AIF number plate .

The rectangular vent on the cowl side is a dead giveaway ..GMH built cab
Of course, the Holden built cabs with opening windscreen. These are so few and far between that I had forgotten about them. In the side view the quarter vent window and foot well vents are clinchers.
Built in Australia from a mixture of imported and locally produced parts most likely before the arrival of the true Lend/Lease trucks.
Thanks Mike
Dave

[Tony Wheeler]

Base colour is original DBG which often looks almost black in B&W photos.

[Mike Cecil]

The sign on the 1 ton Chev GS, as Tony mentioned, has the formation sign of a black swan on a yellow background, surmounted by a 1 inch wide white stripe across the top, which equates to 1st Aust Corps Troops, Middle East, while the Unit sign of '308' on a black background equates to any of the four (3,4,5,or 6) Anti-Malaria Control Units under command - they all carried the same sign. The design of sign with the combined formation/unit together, and the formation sign itself, were introduced on 12 January 1942. The black swan/yellow ground formation sign only applied to units in the Middle East.

Later, the name of the Anti-Malaria Control Units was changed to 'Aust Malaria Control Unit'.

The 1 ton with registration AIF V5252 was sent to the ME in October 1940, so had lasted very well given the image was taken in 1942. The Chev 3 ton GS reg L14045 went to the ME in June 41. The Cab 12 'Nancy' has a Brit registration - a common occurrence for CMPs issued to Aust units from British stocks in theatre, often with the letters 'AIF' simply prefixed to the Brit number. Can't quite see if that is the case with this truck due to the angle.

Thanks, Mike: nice pics. Lots of details.

Mike

[Mike K]

The ute appears to be a 1 Ton chassis , with 17" wheels . The 15 cwt models had a full length running board , right to the rear guards , whereas the 1 Ton model had the short running boards as seen in this vehicle . Look at the worn tyre on the front near side.... this ute has travelled many miles

Driver Tom must have been a keen photographer, because there are later pics taken by him in New Guinea , now a corporal but still doing the same job , spraying DDT on mossies !

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Yes Tony , the base colour would be the darker green with the Light Stone applied with a brush

[Mike Cecil]

You are right, Mike .... can't read my own handwritten notes!!

Edited accordingly....

Mike

[Mike K]

I managed to track down the original source of this photo. By chance, I have a wreck or the bare bones of one of these 1939/40 1 Ton trucks. I can't find any army paint on it. The rear axle and springs are identical to the C8 CMP truck. The wheels are split type 17" with 750-17 tyres. The army version was fitted with a typical Australian ute style body, in this case built by GM-H , a wooden frame with metal skin - these Australian style bodies are wider and more spacious than the narrow North American ' pick up ' style bodies. In civilian use, GMH also offered other body options, including a wooden flat tray or deck . The grill is unique to 1940. The 39 models have a different looking grill. The example I have is fitted with the 4 speed crash gearbox. The drive to the rear axle is through a torque tube. It would be a long-term project , building an Aust. Army version, the biggest problem would be finding a original body to measure, like finding the end of a rainbow. The GMH archives, held in South Australia, include a few factory photos of a similar body, fitted on a 1941 1/2 Ton model.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/885722...57631771339670


Early July 1942 - Australian Army 2/4 Anti Malaria Control Unit mates Sergeant Norm Grainger & Driver Bob Elliott with Driver Tom Beazley's Chevrolet 1-Ton GS (General Service) light truck at Syr, Syria (now North Lebanon)
SOURCE INFO

- The original image was captured by my late father-in-law, Driver Tom Beazley of the Australian Army 2/4 Anti-Malarial Control Unit, 9 Division, 2 Australian Imperial Force, using a Kodak 6-20 Folding Brownie camera with B&W 120 roll-film.

[Mike K]

I found a pic of what appears to be the rear end of a CHEV. 1 Ton GS Van. The rear mudguards are longer than the similar 15 cwt. Version. The 15 cwt (model 13) has a 113.5" wheelbase, the 1Ton chassis (model 14) has a 123.75" wheelbase.

Detail of the canvas fittings: the only major modifications to the civilian truck were the fittings for the canvas tilt frame and the military directional bar tread tyres.

Update: the pic with the two guys, the vehicle is looking more like a car based utility.

[Mike K]

The GM-H issued parts book for the Chevrolet and Maple Leaf MCP Army vehicles they built - 1939/1940. It's interesting that GM-H refers to the vehicles as standard or commercial chassis, rather than using the army nomenclature i.e., GS Van.

The 123.75" wheelbase model, in Aust. Army terms, is the 1Ton G.S. Van . The contemporary North American civilian equivalent model, was the 3/4 Ton pickup, which unusually, had 15" wheels. But , in North America, there was also a special 'heavy duty' 3/4 Ton model listed, which had the 17" wheels fitted, it was also fitted with heavy duty rear springs. This 'special' model was the model (series 14) chosen for the basis of the Aust. Army 1Ton G.S.Van.

The book has a previous owners name inside the cover, it belonged to a soldier: Sgt. G.A. Brown V165580. He transferred to the AIF and became VX106727. I found his WW2 service records in the naa system. He had worked as a storeman at Ford Geelong. He served overseas at Morotai and Labuan, Borneo.

[Lang]

It would be good to get the second page of his service record. Meteoric rise to fame Private Recruit to Temporary Corporal to Sergeant in a few weeks.

I suppose he was a qualified storeman at Ford so perfect man to understand stores paperwork.

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Lang

It would be good to get the second page of his service record. Meteoric rise to fame Private Recruit to Temporary Corporal to Sergeant in a few weeks.

I suppose he was a qualified storeman at Ford so perfect man to understand stores paperwork.

He was eventually promoted to W.O.2.

He was transferred numerous times and moved around. He sailed to Morotai on the vessel MV Duntroon.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Duntroon