HUW "Nipper" Photo attempt

[Rob Fast]

I drove the HUW to the Juno Beach Center festivities here in Winnipeg this weekend and then on the Winnipeg International Airshow Sat. and Sun.. Trying to post my first pic here.

Just a look at the interior, with no radio hookups. Can I attach two or more photos to the same initial thread? C5 Switchboard is under table.

One more shot of the HUW. It was a beautiful airshow day.

[Mike K]

Hi Rob

The HUW looks like a war relic for sure .

The 19 set 12 pin lead is strangely located , it should go to a control box ....... whats the set above the 19 set for ?

Mike

[Rob Fast]

Hi Mike. The 19 set 12 pin lead socket is still there, and the control box lead still plugs in at that point. The large steel/mesh lead you see plugs into the High Power Amplifier Supply Unit top right, and the unit top left is the amplifier unit itself. Canadian made 1944, I was fortunate enough to find one out of Quebec last winter. Look to the 19 set site for more detailed info on this HPU setup. Nexp pic I post of the radios setup will have all proper cables installed. Mike I think there is a antenna mount of yours on my truck, so your country is well represented! Cheers Rob

[John Ganton]

Rob what does the "S" on the passenger door represent? It shows on the door of my 42 HUP but it was painted over when the factory brown was changed to OD.

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally posted by Rob Fast
Just a look at the interior, with no radio hookups. Can I attach two or more photos to the same initial thread? C5 Switchboard is under table.

Rob: absolutely fantastic interior shot! It even "smells" new. Kudos from someone who spent a lot of time in such surroundings.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

The 'S' indicates a vehicle with a supressed ignition system, often found on machinery or other vehicles with equipment that might be effected. Vehicles equipped to take a wireless set have 'W/T' stencilled in the same place.

[Rob Fast]

I know it's about time some of you who helped with this restoration had a look at what myself and my brother Tony have been up to. Bruce, thats good info on the "S", I used it because I did not have the W/T decal at the time. The HUW got a lot of looks last weekend, there were 60,000 in attendance! The restoration is just about complete, just missing a couple of items, and I will take the opportunity to mention them here. Electrical throw switch box mounted on chorehorse cabinet, blackout switches mounted on all back three doors and chorehorse cabinet, crash pad mounted above wireless operator seat. Cheers

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi All,

One of our members, Andrew Tostevin who is mad keen on WW2 radio restoration, owns this fully operational Chev Blitz C15 radio truck. The information is from Andrew and I took the photos at the Museum. I have already sent him this link and hopefully, when he's back on line, he'll personally subscribe to this forum. He is also currently restoring a C15A radio truck.

There will be five posts including this one purely for the images. Perhaps someone can educate me on how to place multiple images on one post, if that is possible.

The main radio is an Army version of a well known aircraft direction finding radio the AT5/AR8. In the army it was different in that it had a special "drop-lead" junction box, and different cables. It was called the 112 set and was used in place of a 133 set made by AWA. The 133 set was a much more powerful radio, but was not a receiver. I chose to restore a 112 set for both of my Wireless trucks, because of the higher technology and the 112 set also leaves the side table in the truck free for another 2 way radio - in this case I have chosen the late WW2 122 set. This means the truck has 2 crystal controlled transmitters and direction finding capability. As yet the direction finding loops have not been found or remade for this truck.

Bob

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hey Boss,

I've cracked the ton now on posts. Do I get some sort of prize.

Bob

[Mike K]

For the overseas readers , the device on the side of the Australian radio van is a gallows . This was used to threaten POW's under interrogation . If the captured enemy would not co operate , a rope was slung through the gallows eg. hangmans noose type of thing . The poor captured enemy would then devulge all his knowledge . Sneaky hey !


It also doubled as a lifting jib for heavy items like , jerrycans of petrol or spare wheels stored on the roof .

Mike

[Euan McDonald]

Hi All,
The "Gallow Device" mounted on the side for Aussie CMP'S is a LMG mount for guns like a Bren. The mount has a cable running down the inside with a hook at one end & a counter weight inside the tube to balance the gun.It is not used for lifting spare wheels or hanging the enemy Mike, but it makes a good story:
Euan.

[A. Hudson]

Good Evening, or what ever it may be,

Sorry Euan, I cannot agree, Mike's right, it is used to lift heavy items. have included a scan from Norm Darwins book on Holdens and it clearly shows the gallows in close proximity to the twin wheel boxes on the prime mover.
What was the position of the gunner if it was used to suspend the Bren?

Anton

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi All,

Euan is right, it is the suspension for an LMG. Firstly if you look closely at the photo the gallows is in proximity to the cab roof hatch from where the gun would be fired suspended. Secondly in this Chev, where is the spare tyre to be lifted and to where would you lift it. Thirdly if you have seen a gallows in the flesh you would see it wouldn't be strong enough to lift a tyre. Apart from that imagine the size and weight of the counterweight required to balance a tyre. It certainly wouldn't fit in the narrow bore tube of the gallows.

On the Ford Blitz this gallows is at the rear and in this case in proximity to the rear hatch.

Bob

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by A. Hudson
...a scan from Norm Darwins book on Holdens...

What is this? F60T, C60S? Towing some sort of Australian machinery trailer? Never seen this type of Blitz before, very interesting! Who can tell me more?

[A. Hudson]

Hi Hanno,
It seems that the Australian did a lot of it's own R&D to suit local conditions.
It's a Chev as the full scan will show, and was built for the AirForce.

[Bill Mulholland]

Rob; Firstly, let me say what great resto! I am getting to the stage of painting my KL, and I have not been too fortunate in finding the recipe for #2 Brown. Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Bill

[Snowtractor]

Hi Rob
sheesh the CMP sure looks different from when I saw it in Nov/Dec. outstanding work!
On a side note , how did you get time off from the golf course to go to the airshow anyway
Sean

[Rob Fast]

Hello Bill and Sean. Yes I did play a little hooky from work, but when your at the course seven days a week, they cut me a little slack now and again for things like the Juno Center festivities and the like. I had our local building center paint expert use his color scanner and we scanned a pristine area of dog turd on the back of a NOS blackout headlight cover. I am very happy with the color. I will post you that formula in the next couple of days,won't happen tommorrow night though, I am off to see the Moody Blues in concert. Maybe "Tuesday Afternoon". Cheers Rob

[Rob Fast]

Originally posted by Bill Mulholland
Rob; Firstly, let me say what great resto! I am getting to the stage of painting my KL, and I have not been too fortunate in finding the recipe for #2 Brown. Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Bill

First off Bill, I want to let you know that myself and other members of our Prairie Command club have opted for cheap house paint for our vehicles, just in case the movie industry calls and they need a new paint scheme. Yes, they fade a little quicker, but they look tougher that way. And a fresh coat every spring costs me only $45.00 Canadian. Here is my home brew, using the Matchrite Color Designer paint color scanner.
Para Paint/Alkyd/Melamine 4500 Poly
Dog Turd No. 2
Base 4505 NEUT.
I gallon size Amount
C 3Y36
D 12
E .5
K .5
L 12Y41


Olive Drab Green
Base 4505 Neut.
I gallon size Amount
A 9Y5
D 44
K 35
U 5Y12

Please make your initial mix in small pint sizes, just in case you don't like the shade. Anybody got a map light/dash mounted , for my HUW restoration? Cheers Rob

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Bill Mulholland
...I have not been too fortunate in finding the recipe for #2 Brown. Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.

Bill, see paint schemes for CMP trucks for some general info. A recipe for "#2 Brown", or Standard Camouflage Colour No.2, is given in "Non BS Colours in use 1940-42" . Alternatively, Dirk Leegwater has had paint mixed up from new old stock boxed parts, incl. SCC 2 (shown left in pic below).

Hope this helps,
Hanno

[Bill Mulholland]

Rob & Hanno; Thanks much for the helpful hints. I have also received some other useful info on DTB aka SCC#2. I will go to my local alchemist and see what wonderful concoction he can come up with that may/may not approximate the colour. The idea of using a cheaper variety of paint sounds appealing, as the annual re-spray is necessary due to storage methods. When stored for several months outside, under a tarp, the paint finish takes quite a beating. I have shop space for repairs, maintenance, restoration, etc, but outside storage to free up floor space is a necessity. I will have a batch made up and let you all have a look when it is completed. Thanks again.
Cheers, Bill

[david moore]

Rob
Where did you get your unit sign decals - or did you paint them yourself? I need to obtain some for my C15A.
David Moore

[Snowtractor]

So, Rob, great info. Are these numbers universal or only for the paint you used? I've seen them use their lazy susan of dyes to mix paint ( locally ) so these numbers must correspond to it . I will try it on my next period of days off and let you all know.
Thx

[S. Dafoe]

David,

Where are you located in Kingston? I have friends in Inverary and get to Kingston fairly often. Wouldn't mind meeting you and seeing your truck.

Stew

[david moore]

Stew
My MB and the C15A are kept in the PWOR museum downtown Kingston, open working hours weekdays. My Dodge WC21 is about 40 mins. north of town. Give me a call at 613 544 7258 when you next plan a visit . Would be glad to meet and show the vehicles.
David M

[S. Dafoe]

Thanks David,

I'm not sure when the next time I will be in Kingston/Inverary but if time permits I will give you a call in advance. I actually was in Kingston on the weekend. Came across the ferry from Cape Vincent and Wolfe Island. I have never seen the ferry so busy from Wolfe Island. I had to wait for two ferrys before being able to get across. I think they must have been evacuating the island!

[Snowtractor]

using the Matchrite Color Designer paint color scanner.
Para Paint/Alkyd/Melamine 4500 Poly
Dog Turd No. 2
Base 4505 NEUT.
I gallon size Amount
C 3Y36
D 12
E .5
K .5
L 12Y41

So I took these numbers in to my local home hardware and he said fine to the CDEKL codes, those are just dyes and the amount to add to the neutral. But he said there are three different colours of neutral they use, clear, white , and beige. And the code for your neutral isn't a Home Hardware code. So he asks who is the paint manufacturer and the store , and which of the neutrals is it?
Sean

[Garry Shipton (RIP)]

Originally posted by david moore
Stew
My MB and the C15A are kept in the PWOR museum downtown Kingston, open working hours weekdays. My Dodge WC21 is about 40 mins. north of town. Give me a call at 613 544 7258 when you next plan a visit . Would be glad to meet and show the vehicles.
David M

Dave,
Gonna be in Gananoque(Boat ride) & Kingston(looking up my grandfather's grave in the military section near McDoanld' grave at Cataraquai cemetary) plus visiting relatives(All military WW2 RCHA) ,with the wife & daughters next Tuesday & Wednesday before going to Ottawa on the triangle from Montreal.Do you have the PWOR museum address.Have seen your pipeband in the St.Pats Day parade here in Montreal when I was a drummer with the 306 Wing Pipes & Drums in the parade.Thanks.

[Rob Fast]

Originally posted by Snowtractor
So I took these numbers in to my local home hardware and he said fine to the CDEKL codes, those are just dyes and the amount to add to the neutral. But he said there are three different colours of neutral they use, clear, white , and beige. And the code for your neutral isn't a Home Hardware code. So he asks who is the paint manufacturer and the store , and which of the neutrals is it?
Sean

The manufacturer is Para Paint / Base 4505 Neutral/ 4500 Melamine Poly. Store is not a chain based hardware store. Hope this helps. Cheers

[Snowtractor]

I talked to a Para Paint rep and they said " with the 4500 series paint there is only one neutral" the neutral in this case looks like water with a bit of milk thrown in , so essentially clear. With their other paints they have multiple neutrals from clear to a platinum ( which has heavy coverage traits ).
So if your not buying para paint then use the "clear neutral" to start your blend. I will check this out this week at Home hardware and give you all a report back.
Incidentally I told her what I was painting and the colour No. 2 brown and she wanted to know further so I had to tell her the slang for it, DTB , she laughed and knew the shade, immediately. Howeve,r she did recommend Para's industrial line of paint , saying it would be much more durable. I never got in to the cost of it though.
Sean