Simex 9.00-16 Tyres

Neil Ashley · #1 27-05-05, 14:57

I was speaking to a friend yesterday who told me that Simex had been taken over and the new parent company was not allowing any more T24 tyres to be supplied directly to european customers.

The story went that they considered that the European market was already being adequately catered for in this type of tyre.

Any supplies in future will have to come via dealers outside europe.

Simex also apparently do a 11.00-20 tyre with the T24 tread, so this news if correct is disappointing. Any comments?

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #2 28-05-05, 23:53

Surely they sell these tires to somebody, somewhere? If Simex, or their new parent, won't sell to Europe (or North America?), where do they sell them? There must be someone trustworthy there (wherever 'there' is) who can re-send? I'm rather frustrated knowing suitable tires exist but can't be had.

Hanno Spoelstra · #3 29-05-05, 23:16

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
Surely they sell these tires to somebody, somewhere? If Simex, or their new parent, won't sell to Europe (or North America?), where do they sell them?

As "Simex is made by one of the largest and most experienced tire manufacturing conglomerates in Southeast Asia", I'd say their biggest market is there.

The 9.00-16 SA-24 is currently listed on the US-based TIREX International Inc.:

Source: http://www.tirexusa.com/simex/agri_ind.html

Try contacting them. For Europe, try http://www.simexeurope.co.uk/

HTH,
Hanno
9.00-16 tyres

Neil Ashley · #4 07-08-06, 09:05

I was speaking to a dealer yesterday who confirmed my story at the start of this thread.

The only way he could source any T24 tyres was to place an order for a complete container load of 300 for which he would need orders. Even then the estimated price was going to be a round £150.00 each.

You would have thought a dealer some where in Europe would have been willing to place an order, but whilst people are willing to put cheaper inappropriate tread pattern tyres on there MV's, no one is going to bother.

The thought of in 20 years time the majority of British 15cwt and 3 ton trucks,and Ferrets running on US pattern tyres is not nice.

Dan Sicotte · #5 07-08-06, 17:54

Hey Neil, Would you pay 300 canadian dollars per tire (tyre) plus shipping from the U.K for your ferret? I would not, when I put Michelin XL tires on my ferret, I thought it was wrong, but the fox has them, and I am not made of money. So radials it is. The ferret runs great on the tires and it may even be faster, as the radials are not runflat, and are much lighter. If I win the lotto, I'll buy the container of 300, and give the tires away. Not being a jerk, just a realist.
Dan
Ferret
00 DA 81

Neil Ashley · #6 07-08-06, 18:01

Dan

British Ferrets were never fitted with the Fox block type tread pattern in service.

Its obviously down to personal preference and your reasons for owning a military vehicle.

Dan Sicotte · #7 07-08-06, 18:07

The french used them...not a good point on my half...but the dunlop supplies dried up a long time ago. I want my ferret to be as accurate as possible, but safety is first and foremost. I like my teeth where they are. After 15 years in the armoured corps, they are still all my chicklets, and I like it that way. I know the tires are no correct, but the North American market is limited.
If you know of any resonably priced Dunlop run flat high speed tires in the U.K, let me know. I am in Wrexham as I type, and would be happy to check them out.
Dan

Neil Ashley · #8 07-08-06, 18:17

Dan

Simex may well being willing to supply Canada through their dealer network hopefully at a lot lower price.

I am only a where of the Europe market being black listed for supply.

If you have followed the previous threads on these tyres they are manufactured using the original Dunlop moulds.

Bob Carriere · #9 09-08-06, 21:48

I contacted Xtires in Florida and got a very prompt courtenous reply........ from Paula G.

Tires are readily available in North America......

..... minimum shipment from Asia is one full container of 300 tires........ then background violin music started a sad song....

Familiar tune......!!!!

Bob C.

chris vickery · #10 09-08-06, 22:11

Bob, at 300 tires thats only 60 mv enthusiasts North American wide who have to buy 5 each (4 plus a spareof course).
Knowing how most hobbyists are, you`ll need another container load of prybars to get all those wallets opened...

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #11 09-08-06, 23:43

I'll take two sets. Cash here and ready. Only 58 more to go.

And why wouldn't a dealer who already stocks these somewhere sell a few?

As long as I know they are out there, I'll be hard pressed buying a set of American non-directionals.

Barry Churcher · #12 10-08-06, 02:38

Last November I went to the SEMA show in Las Vegas. It is the worlds biggest automotive trade show and there was one huge building that was just wheels and tires. I spoke with every manufacturer there about military pattern tires. They were from China, Singapore, India etc. and were very interested in getting new customers. They all spent a great deal of time with me but the bottom line seems to be a minimum one container order. Some of the prices were very attractive but as Chris says the load of tires is no problem it's the money for the container load of pry bars.

Cheers,
Barry

Bill Murray · #13 10-08-06, 03:23

I am not trying to be a smart ass here, but can someone give me a web address where I can get a quote for a container of said tyres delivered to Atlanta Ga. Price to include all, all costs.

Just trying to get a feel for what it really will take to get one full container of these tyres for the NA market.
Bill

Bob Carriere · #14 10-08-06, 05:39

Hi Bill

Use the email address for tirexusa given in previous above emails and let me know when I can send you the cash for my full set of five delivered to Ogdensburg NY......

Note to CDN buyers.... if imported from the USA and not made in the USA.... even if you lie about using them on your uncle's farm hay wagon you will be taxed custom plus GST and PST and BSt... unless you can float them across the St Lawrence river and pretend you are a refugee....... maybe I will turn into a smuggler...... you drive your old Furd across on bald 16 inch tires and come back with the new now used Simex tires over and over again......

Let me know the ETA.....

Bald tireless Bob

Grant Bowker · #15 10-08-06, 13:29

Found yesterday on the Canada Border Services Agency web site under the heading "IMPORTATION OF TIRES" a document http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cm/...19-12-2-e.html that suggests that a zealous Customs inspector could make life difficult for someone trying to import tyres on their own, depending on the markings on the tyres. On the other hand, having their source document in hand could help if the circumstances are right.

Your interpretation may vary.......

Bob Carriere · #16 10-08-06, 15:12

NOt gospel but I have been told that tires not made in the USA and with NO DOT or MOT stamping are NOT supposed to be allowed in.... unless you swear on same gospel that they are for farm trailer use...... but then get into an accident and bingo some fancy pants investigator who has been watching CSI on TV will nail your a** to the wood shed.....

....well back to the USA mil. bar tread......

Bob

Richard Farrant · #17 10-08-06, 22:31

Guys in Canada and US,

I did not wish to rain on your parade regarding these tyres, but a few years ago I bought some straight from Simex european HQ, luckily close by. I got talking to them and said how there is a market in Canada. They said a catagoric NO to this, due to legal problems in N. American region and how these tyres have been stamped a tractor fronts, although you would never see these tyres on the front of a tractor! Remember the problems Goodyear had a while ago on a particular 4x4 and all the legal battles.

Richard

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #18 10-08-06, 22:53

I have heard that the testing to prove any tire roadworthy is what would limit getting these tires into Canada. Given that they are marked for agriculture or tractor, I don't think they would ever 'pass'. The cost of the testing would be prohibitive regardless. Still, I'd like a set to place on rims for my own purposes (show) and happily run whatever legal tyres I could on a second set of rims.

Dirk Leegwater (RIP) · #19 11-08-06, 09:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan Sicotte
Not being a jerk, just a realist.

All the discussions of orginal tyres, by us is safety first !
Our Fox tyres came from China, 18 play. Looks good and
brand new.

Mvg. Dirk

P.S. the LwD stall is in Ursul (Belgium) this weekend

Neil Ashley · #20 11-08-06, 11:33

Dirk

I assume the tyre size is 11.00X20 rather than the original 10.50X20?

They dont look to bad, but once again I am lead to believe that Simex have the T24 Dunlop mould for 11.20X20 tyres.

No doubt EEC / State rules will increasing effect our hobby as the years go by.

Dirk Leegwater (RIP) · #21 25-08-06, 22:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirk Leegwater
All the discussions of orginal tyres, by us is safety first !
Our Fox tyres came from China, 18 play. Looks good and
brand new.

The standard "Highway" tyres are also nice plus the tread is easyer to find I guess.

Mvg. Dirk

Hanno Spoelstra · #22 25-08-06, 22:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirk Leegwater
All the discussions of orginal tyres, by us is safety first ! Our Fox tyres came from China, 18 play. Looks good and brand new.

The Simex tyres discussed here are new and of the correct size and pattern. Brand new and looks perfect. That's what all the fuss is about.

H.

Dirk Leegwater (RIP) · #23 26-08-06, 14:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
That's what all the fuss is about.

I like the discussions about CMP tyres but I don't like dream story's, wake me up
when the CMP tyre container is coming. I agree with you Barry,our CMP group
(hit the road members) is too small for buying a container load I guess. To use
real orginal tyres (look at the Lynx) is a big risk. For us one thing to do: trying to find
nice good looking new tyres.

The front tyre of the Lynx on the RH side had a "big bang" during the last big celebration
Normandy 2004. For me really the last time to use orginal WWII Canadian tyres on the road.

Mvg. Dirk

Stewart Loy · #24 26-08-06, 15:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
I'll take two sets. Cash here and ready. Only 58 more to go.

Put me down for 2 sets also. Only 56 to go.

All of the guys who think that their precious truck is OK with 60 year old tyres should re-read Dirks post. New tires will seem pretty cheap when you are in the ditch upside down hanging from the seatbelt and air bag .....

Stewart

Bob Carriere · #25 26-08-06, 18:49

I would commit to a set of five and would be prepared to make a deposit......

....but reflecting on the comments of Grant Bowker and readiiiiiing the fine print........

...importing tires in Canada made in a foreign coountry may be a problem....... however.... if the tires were available on USA soil and were installed on the vehicle at the time of driving back to Canada....even if on a CMP..... they are not subject to imposrt regualtion.

Therefore if you buy new Denman's bar thread NDT tires at a military show...but were made in Mexico..... you could be in trouble but if installed on the vehicle including the spare they are not subject to the import regulation.

Sure would like to hear the explanation for that from the Pub(l)ic Servant that wrote the regulation.

For us in Canada is to find a dealer in the states that can import a load..... then trailer a CMP across the border and have the tires made i CHina installed and bring it back......

The nagging issue that grinds in the back of my mind is....... what would happen in the case of a blow out at a parade where the CMP rolls into the crowd and crushes an innocent bystander...... what happens to the owner when some sharp investigator fails to find approve embossing of national DOT marking on the sidewall of the tire...........

..... in case of accident with unapproved tires.....
....................immediately set vehicle on fire ....

Bob C.

Grant Bowker · #26 26-08-06, 22:55

Setting fire to a CMP as you are suggesting would make an incredible weenie roast Bob, but after your posts advising sending frames to a commercial sandblaster isn't this rather extreme for paint removal? Were you thinking of sacrificing the ninny who wrote the tyre import rules on the fire as justification? On the other hand, it might free the rims of the stuck on tyres of the "wrong" bead angle......

sapper740 · #27 26-08-06, 23:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Murray
Just trying to get a feel for what it really will take to get one full container of these tyres for the NA market.

Bill, I tried to contact Simex tires via email months ago to inquire same. I received no reply and no "undeliverable" notification so they were getting my emails, they just chose to ignore them. It's going to take one of us to fly to S.E. Asia, pay for a container load, arrange shipping to N. America, pay all duties, handle all the paper work, arrange for inspection by the appropriate D.O.T. and then store the tires until sold. I'm not that wealthy. I hope someone on this forum is and will do it so we can all get some tires. Until someone grabs this bull by the horns, this is going to be the "Never Ending Thread" that will be doomed to have the same questions repeated ad nauseum.

Stewart Loy · #28 19-10-06, 16:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
As long as I know they are out there, I'll be hard pressed buying a set of American non-directionals.

Bruce,

New(er) tires are as close as this auction in Nixa, MO. This vehicle wears 11.0x20 tires with the appropriate tire / pattern. See pix number 11.

I hear that Humby was a subsiduary of some English car company - possibly long gone. I cannot recall when the whole VietNam thing was - so I guess 1954 would count - wouldn't it? ( I can't remember much before early september 1962 ).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-...QQcmdZViewItem

Stewart

PS - other than that, how is the Fox?

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #29 19-10-06, 18:38

Wow, if those tyres were only 9:00 - 16's, getting them for $1600 with the vehicle thrown in sounds too good to be true!!

As is, my Fox has a set of Dunlop 11.00 - 20's. It's a set of 16" for the HUW I'm after.

And regards the Fox, thanks for asking. It's all together and all I desire is one more warm-ish day to paint over the last of the primer at the rear end. drop by after the OMVA meet. St. Thomas is but 20 minutes away.

Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP) · #30 19-10-06, 19:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
And regards the Fox, thanks for asking. It's all together and all I desire is one more warm-ish day to paint over the last of the primer at the rear end. drop by after the OMVA meet. St. Thomas is but 20 minutes away.

What did you end up doing about a rad, Bruce?