Vehicles used by Dutch Prinses Irene Brigade

[John A. Rippingham]

Hello Rogier,
Thanks for that picture, thats much clearer, What does it say on the front below the radiator badge?

On that chassis number it would have been built 1940-41.

regards john

[Rogier Peeters]

Hello John,
assuming you are referring to the text at the top of the front, it says "Den Haag" which is dutch for The Hague.
Thanks for narrowing down the production date.

Regards,
Rogier

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

If it does show the Prinses Irene Brigade coming ashore, it would mean they had Bedford MW's on strength. As far as I know the Brigade was equipped with Fordson 15-cwt trucks. Do you know if they had Bedford 15-cwt trucks also?

Though not reflecting the 1944 situation, the Dutch National Archives have a list of the present used in 1943 (Opgave Auto- en Motormaterieel, 26 Maart 1943).

The following 15 cwt vehicle types are listed:
- truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford
- Fordson 15 cwt;
- Morris 15 cwt office;
- Bedford 15 cwt.

[Bill Murray]

My eyes are not improving with age, but is that not a Dodge, maybe a D30 behind the Bedford?
Bill

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Bill Murray

My eyes are not improving with age, but is that not a Dodge, maybe a D30 behind the Bedford?

Still not too bad, Bill. A Dodge indeed, I'd say a D60L 3-tonner.

H.

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Still not too bad, Bill. A Dodge indeed, I'd say a D60L 3-tonner.

The archive document I mentioned before lists Dodge 3 ton trucks as well.

Some photos:
http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/
http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

@Hanno: the vehicle list contains the types of vehicles, including census number, chassis number and allocation.
Also lists of ex-Dutch vehicles are available in the archives.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

@Hanno: the vehicle list contains the types of vehicles, including census number, chassis number and allocation.
Also lists of ex-Dutch vehicles are available in the archives.

Rogier,

Do you have access to this information? If so, would you be willing to share this with us? If not, do you have the archive record number?

Thanks!
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

The archive document I mentioned before lists Dodge 3 ton trucks as well.

Here's one being (un)loaded. Source: beeldbankwo2.nl:

Image number: 8728
Collection: Nederlands Instituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie
Caption: Dutch forces in Normandy. A Dutch lorry being loaded on to a landing craft.
Image Date Period: augustus 1944

8728-hi.jpg

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Though not reflecting the 1944 situation, the Dutch National Archives have a list of the present used in 1943 (Opgave Auto- en Motormaterieel, 26 Maart 1943).

The following 15 cwt vehicle types are listed:
- truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford
- Fordson 15 cwt;
- Morris 15 cwt office;
- Bedford 15 cwt.

Great info Rogier, thanks!

Is the "truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford" a CMP?

Any more vehicular info available at the Archives?

Regards,
Hanno

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Is the "truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford" a CMP?

I don't know.

Could this be another of the 15 cwt Ford GS trucks, judging from the (partially visible) census number: http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

If so, it may be this vehicle (note the cyclist and the trailer behind the truck): http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

Any thoughts?

[Alex van de Wetering]

Any thoughts?

Indeed, the trucks in both pictures seem to be one and the same; there is a jerrycan just behind the cab which can be seen in both pictures. Clearly a Fordson, with a German (?) trailer on tow (Flak trailer with kastenaufbau?)

Great info, Rogier!

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Could this be another of the 15 cwt Ford GS trucks, judging from the (partially visible) census number: http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

If so, it may be this vehicle (note the cyclist and the trailer behind the truck): http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

Rogier,

As pointed out by you and Alex, these pictures feature a Fordson WOT2 15-cwt truck. The first picture shows a Fordson with a census number Z4846x87, one which falls in the range Z4844001 - Z4847000 quoted by Rich. As these were allocated to "Ford - Truck 15cwt 4x2 G/S" trucks, could be the case that the "Ford" and "Fordson" trucks in your list of 15-cwt vehicle types were both Fordson WOT2's?

Thanks,
Hanno

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

As pointed out by you and Alex, these pictures feature a Fordson WOT2 15-cwt truck. The first picture shows a Fordson with a census number Z4846x87, one which falls in the range Z4844001 - Z4847000 quoted by Rich. As these were allocated to "Ford - Truck 15cwt 4x2 G/S" trucks, could be the case that the "Ford" and "Fordson" trucks in your list of 15-cwt vehicle types were both Fordson WOT2's?

Thank you for the clarification. Regarding your question, it would be interesting to compare the census numbers (which I don't have at hand at the moment) in the archive files with the other information known.
I'll leave that as an interesting little thing for one of my future visits.