Early CMPs in NW Europe

[Lang]

Thanks for all that Phil.

I think, like many things, the black-out regulatons were a disorganised shambles throughout the war and the reasons for subjecting vehicles to such dangerous and inconvenient restrictions were illconceived.

I can understand restricted TOTAL blackout on vehicles positioning troops, guns etc for night attacks or say crossing areas under the direct field of fire of the enemy but convoys in rear areas???? The oft quoted protection from aircraft is a myth. During WW2 low level strafing on anything other than a full moonlit night (or the light of a burning city) was a quick way to a pilot's grave. Of course that has changed now and trucks may as well drive with spotlights given the night vision capability of modern aircraft.

I am sure the Red Ball Express and similar operations dis not crawl along blacked out. Blackout operations seem to be a particular fetish of the British as there appears to be much more about this in Commonwealth information and photos than American.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Is that a Cab 11/12 CMP following the M3A1 Scout Car?

Source: Eindhoven liberated

[cletrac (RIP)]

It looks like it and with no roof hatch it would likely be a Cab 11. Judging by the height of the canvas top on the box it would have to be a 15 cwt too.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by cletrac

It looks like it and with no roof hatch it would likely be a Cab 11. Judging by the height of the canvas top on the box it would have to be a 15 cwt too.

Thanks, my thoughts too!

H.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Winschoten, The Netherlands.

source: "De Canadezen in Nederland 44-45", written by David Kaufman and Michiel Horn.

[Alex van de Wetering]

The Hague, Holland, 1945

Source: www.niod.nl

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

The Hague, Holland, 1945
Source: www.niod.nl

Same pic, now featured on the beeldbankwo2.nl:

Image number: 73406
Collection: Nederlands Instituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie
Caption: Den Haag.
Keywords: Dutch Armed Forces;Princess Irene Brigade;Vehicles

Are these really Princess Irene Brigade vehicles?

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

CGT Cab 12 at Leeuwarden, 15 April 1945.

Source: http://www.beeldbankwo2.nl/

Image number: 121758
Collection: Verzetsmuseum Friesland
Caption: Op 15 april 1945 werd Leeuwarden door de Canadese Strijdkrachten bevrijd. Om even over twaalf uur rolden de gevechtswagens van de 'Royal Canadian Dragoons', zonder dat er een schot gelost werd, langs de Groningerstraatweg de stad binnen. Hier ziet men een gevechtswagen met daarachter een stuk geschut in de Sint Jacobsstraat. Aan de andere kant van de straat is de winkel van poelier P. de Jong gevestigd.
Image Date: 15-04-1945

[Alex van de Wetering]

source: www.archivesnormandie39-45.org

[sapper740]

Originally Posted by cliff

It is a Chevrolet K-51 wireless panel van. Based on the Chevrolet 4X4 1.5 ton chassis with dual wheels at the rear.

Here's a rare shot of a Canadian contingent with their K 51s loaded onto a ship bound for England, I assume.

[gordon]

Those are similar sized trucks, but lighter.

No dual rear wheels, no extended fenders, no side boxes for radio gear, ordinary half to one ton chevrolet or even Dodge I think. They don't look like they are packed for international shipment either - looks more like a river or channel crossing rather than trans-Atlantic.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

1/5th Bn. The Queens Royal Regiment liberating Ghent (Belgium).

Looks like a Chevrolet Cab 12 3-tonner.

Source: http://www.desertrats.org.btinternet...artefacts2.htm

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Found the picture below at http://beeldbank.zeeuwsebibliotheek.nl, it shows another Ford/Chev Cab 11/12 4x4 15-cwt truck in service in NW Europe. The picture was taken on 21 Nov 1944 at IJzendijke during the battle of the Scheldt. Credit: Public Archives of Canada, PA-41774.

Here´s a slightly larger version of this picture from www.beeldbankwo2.nl:

Beeldgegevens
Beeldnummer: 72248
Collectie: Nederlands Instituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie
Bijschrift: Canadese soldaten in Nederland.
Canadian vehicles roll mile after mile past barren countryside, through muddy roads, past flooded area and over Canadian Engineer constructed bridges, as our boys move up to come to grips with the enemy at the frontier.
Trefwoorden: Bevrijding; Bruggen; Canadese Strijdkrachten; Geallieerden; Militairen - Zie ook: Officieren, Soldaten; Voertuigen
Geografie: Nederland
Beeldsoort: Foto
Gewijzigd: 16-03-2001

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Found on this forum, while searching for something else. Picture was taken in Rotterdam.

Originally Posted by nuyt

pic 63 is the one: HQ No 1 Provost Company, 79th (Division?-sorry no expert on this one) in my neighbourhood (Rdam West).

The people you see digging the soil are looking for fuel substitutes.

H.

[Hendrik van Oorspronk]

Just see the movies and find them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFi_140U_Go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMJ84CtEXbw

Groetn

Hendrik

[Larry Hayward]

Seeing early CMPs being used with other vehicles makes me wonder how vehicles were allocated in the British and Commonwealth Armies. Did units just get allocated he first 15 cwt or 3 tonner that was available from the vehicle park or was there any planning around putting common types together to make spares easier allocate? Photos seem to show a mix of types, so any typical unit might have a Ford WOT and a CMP 15 cwt and as for the RASC it seems many photos show a mix of CMPs and UK built types like the Bedford OY, which in todays world seems odd.

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Is it C15 cab 12 tanker ?

[Alex van de Wetering]

Is it C15 cab 12 tanker ?

To me it looks like an 8cwt Cab12. Going by the brush guard, it seems to be a Ford F8.
Interesting picture! Is that Jeep moving a 15cwt water trailer???

Alex

[Jacek Nitkiewicz]

Poor quality , it is photo from magazine "Parada" , polish version of "Parade" , nr 13 June 25th 1944, shows polish vehicles in May 1944 discharge ground close to Cassino , can't make photo any bigger.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Jacek, thanks. Lovely to see an F8 cab12 still in use in may 1944!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Jacek, Alex, I moved your postings from In the background to here. Italy is not NW Europe, but Europe anyway, and I think it fits better in this thread with other ealry CMPs in use later on during WW2.

Hanno

[Alex van de Wetering]

Here is a lovely C15A, cab 12, Liberation of Delft, 1945.

Source: http://www.fotoleren.nl

[Alex van de Wetering]

Liberation parade in Utrecht 1945 (presumably june 7, 1945??)

C15A Cab12 Wireless

source: http://www.hetutrechtsarchief.nl

[Alex van de Wetering]

At least three Monkey face FATs in Utrecht 1945...

(don't want to draw any conclusions, but all these seem to be Chevrolet.... )

source: http://www.hetutrechtsarchief.nl

[Alex van de Wetering]

Liberation of Zandvoort...May 1945.

Slides from a youtube clip this time!

Alex

source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7l8rcTiou4

[Alex van de Wetering]

Liberation of Zwolle, April 14th 1945

Cab12 C15A. I have attached 5 pics, but there are a few more in the archive. I think I see at least two different cab 12 C15A's, judging from the difference in white paint on the bumper.

source: http://beeldmateriaal.historischcentrumoverijssel.nl

[Alex van de Wetering]

Liberation of Amsterdam, May 1945

I can only hope these people are holding on!

C15A cab 12

source: http://beeldbank.amsterdam.nl/

[Alex van de Wetering]

My old hometown....Haarlem.
Picture taken on the Zijlvest in Haarlem, May 8th 1945.

Solid mirror arm.....cab 11? or early cab 12? I think it might be the same one as filmed in Zandvoort.....no doors, slight dent in the side of the roof and light coloured tarp.

source: Spaarnestad archive. http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/afbeeldingen

[Hendrik van Oorspronk]

Here is another, at 5.11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiqBwVWcKk

Groetn

Hendrik

[Bob Carriere]

Why do we see so many cab 12 in 1945 during the liberation of Holland???

Cab 12 had literally been replaced by cab 13 which were available in great quantity. In fact some would say the cab 12 was more or less obsolete when the cab 13 became plentiful.

I can understand the specialized CGT/FGT and special radio trucks but to see many cab 12 GS lorry still being used surprises me. They did have to come from the central depot in England which were full of cab 13 by late 1944.....why ferry over an obsolete GS to the front lines.

Anybody has an opinion????

Curious.

Bob C