Ford Canada Conventional and Modified Vehicles

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Found an expired auction listing for a Ford Motor Co of Canada Shop Manual / Maintenance Manual, for Conventional and Modified Conventional Vehicles. This is the First Edition of manual SE-29-C and was issued February 1946.

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This has a list plus some pictures of the models described in the manual. This is a nice addition to the thread Ford Model designation

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Shown here are a 1941 Ford Fordor C11A sedan and a 1942 Ford Fordor C21AS Staff Car. You can see the C11A is a Conventional vehicle, with just light alterations from a civilian vehicle. Ian McCallum noted: "Modified sedans started with the 39 model. I have a '40 01A(F). Changes included hide seats, fabrikoid interior plus military fitments and extra instrumentation." The manual noted it had a "grille guard on front bumper".

The "S" in C21AS denotes Special, it clearly has more modifications including heavier bumpers and a roof rack. It looks like the mudguards / wings are cut-back and it has a raised suspension?

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Also included is well known 1941 C11AD Station Wagon (Truck Type). It's actually a C11ADF as it has right hand drive:

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And the less well known 1942 C21AS Station Wagon (Conventional Modified). This also has RHD, so it would be an C21ASF, right?

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

I did a little searching and found there is also a second edition of manual SE-92-C dated January 1947, and a 1948/1949 version. Thy seem to have been updated with the post-war models which were essentially technically the same as the wartime models.

One of the sellers offering the reproduction shop manual for 1942-1948 Ford, Mercury, & Lincoln Zephyr models notes:

"The first shop manual produced by Ford in the U.S. was available in 1949. NO service manual was published or available from Ford in the USA before 1949. The repairs and service information was through the "Ford Service News", sent to the dealers. However, Ford of Canada did publish this service manual to cover the earlier years. The service procedures are the same for both US & Canadian made models, but, there are some references to models that do not apply to U.S. models. This manual contains complete instructions covering the Maintenance and Repair of Ford, Monarch, and Mercury Passenger Cars and Ford and Mercury Trucks manufactured by the Ford Motor Company of Canada."

Those of you who have seen Ford Canada CMP manuals before, will clearly recognize the layout of the maintenance manuals published for military use. Ford Canada apparently choose to make some money by offering the manual to the public buying surplus vehicles. even though it was against Ford USA’s policy.

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[David Dunlop]

Hanno.

Did any of those wartime production vehicles have data plates added inside to denote relevant manuals, or did they simply rely on the conventional prewar data plates under the hood or on the door frames, which usually did not reference manuals?

The fact that Ford Canada deemed it useful postwar to publish a series of manuals targeting the civil population, suggests these vehicles were far more common than we think in civilian use. Publication probably targeted the commercial dealership network that would not have seen anything new coming through their doors for six years and with enough changes visible to leave them scratching their heads.

Smart idea on Ford’s part really. And now that I think of it, were any commercial manuals every published in Holland after the war covering any of the ex military vehicles that were in commercial use?

David

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

The fact that Ford Canada deemed it useful postwar to publish a series of manuals targeting the civil population, suggests these vehicles were far more common than we think in civilian use. Publication probably targeted the commercial dealership network that would not have seen anything new coming through their doors for six years and with enough changes visible to leave them scratching their heads.

Smart idea on Ford’s part really. And now that I think of it, were any commercial manuals every published in Holland after the war covering any of the ex military vehicles that were in commercial use?

Indeed I think it was a smart move, Ford Canada was catering for the needs of the people buying the surplus military and government vehicles which were acquired for domestic use and not shipped overseas. Selling the manuals and parts to owners and repair shops must have been a welcome revenue.

We all know that the US automotive industry lobbied for regulations keeping the vast numbers of surplus vehicles out of their home market. The regulations which prevent importing of ex-MDAP equipment into the USA are still in effect today. I don’t think the Canadian government was that protective?

This very manual translated into Dutch would have been very valuable for Dutch speaking owners in Holland and Belgium. I have never seen one, certainly worth investigating. Apparently a French one was published, possibly this was aimed at the French speaking military during WW2?

Bart Vanderveen told me that while drafted in the Army, he served on the huge vehicle dumps. His Sergeant kept one each of every Canadian Army manual he could lay his hands on. He had a huge private collection. Many years later, Bart heard his former Sergeant had passed away. Upon contacting his widow re. the collection of manuals, he learned to his dismay the widow had thrown the trunk with manuals in the trash...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Apparently a French one was published, possibly this was aimed at the French speaking military during WW2?

I knew I had seen it somewhere, turns out it was here on MLU in the thread 1941 Ford fordor question. I don't know if this was a wartime or postwar publication.

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[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This very manual translated into Dutch would have been very valuable for Dutch speaking owners in Holland and Belgium. I have never seen one, certainly worth investigating. Apparently a French one was published, possibly this was aimed at the French speaking military during WW2?

Hanno

I don't think this French version of the manual was aimed at French military (who tended more to have stocks of US vehicles rather than Commonwealth), but was more a post-war Domestic publication provided for multi-lingual users in provinces such as Quebec.

The fact that these manuals have not appeared in Dutch or Portuguese (who were prodigious Colonial users of CMPs and MCPs post-war) indicates that they were not intended for secondary market military users.

Were any of the wartime manuals (MB-F1, MB-FUC01, MB-C1, MB-C2, etc) printed in French for Quebecois Canadian Soldiers?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

Did any of those wartime production vehicles have data plates added inside to denote relevant manuals, or did they simply rely on the conventional prewar data plates under the hood or on the door frames, which usually did not reference manuals?

David, the French version of the manual notes an identification plate was fitted to the firewall, just under the voltage regulator. It only listed engine, trim, paint and code. The code was the model designation. No reference made to maintenance manuals like on CMP dash data plates.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Also included is well known 1941 C11AD Station Wagon (Truck Type). It's actually a C11ADF as it has right hand drive

Nice pic of a C11ADF in the Western Desert, August 1942. Photo by Bob Landry

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Source: https://images.google.com/hosted/lif...2bc38a94b.html


Also photos of a less fortunate one....

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Source: https://images.google.com/hosted/lif...7b9494542.html | https://images.google.com/hosted/lif...3a2395f1f.html

[Mike Kelly]

The DH89 air ambulance had plenty of space to land - probably 1000 square kilometres or more !

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Shown here are a 1941 Ford Fordor C11A sedan and a 1942 Ford Fordor C21AS Staff Car. You can see the C11A is a Conventional vehicle, with just light alterations from a civilian vehicle. Ian McCallum noted: "Modified sedans started with the 39 model. I have a '40 01A(F). Changes included hide seats, fabrikoid interior plus military fitments and extra instrumentation." The manual noted it had a "grille guard on front bumper".

The "S" in C21AS denotes Special, it clearly has more modifications including heavier bumpers and a roof rack. It looks like the mudguards / wings are cut-back and it has a raised suspension?

Two pictures of a Ford 1941 model Staff Car in use at Sherbrooke, Canada, ca. 1942, courtesy of ‎Yan Lauzon.

Being a 1941 model, that would make it a C11AS rather than a C21AS, right?

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Shown here are a 1941 Ford Fordor C11A sedan and a 1942 Ford Fordor C21AS Staff Car. You can see the C11A is a Conventional vehicle, with just light alterations from a civilian vehicle. Ian McCallum noted: "Modified sedans started with the 39 model. I have a '40 01A(F). Changes included hide seats, fabrikoid interior plus military fitments and extra instrumentation." The manual noted it had a "grille guard on front bumper".

The "S" in C21AS denotes Special, it clearly has more modifications including heavier bumpers and a roof rack. It looks like the mudguards / wings are cut-back and it has a raised suspension?

Courtesy of the Canadian Kangaroo Regiment Association & Archive, some pictures of a 1942 Ford C21A or C21AS Staff Car, just after the war had ended in Europe. It has census number CM 4234110.

Join the Army and see the world!

For Kangaroos in the Netherlands and awaiting repatriation to Canada in the summer of 1945, there was plenty of opportunity for sightseeing. Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, England and Scotland were all among popular destinations.

Many had opportunities to see the continent as part of their occupation duties, others planned their Privilege Leave around visiting the great cities of Europe.

(WJM)

Photos: 1CACR Archive

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Here is a whole series of photos with this Ford from the estate collection of Sgt. Rowland Marshall. I believe this a staff car from the Cdn Army Leave Centre. The photos are all unmarked but it appears they tooks a trip to Cologne and possibly down to the Bavarian Alps.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

"Pushing the reconaissance car through the mud."

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Australian Armed Forces on manoeuvres in the snow at Buffalo
Date [ca. 1942]
Identifier(s) H98.105/5268

Source: https://viewer.slv.vic.gov.au/?entit...&mode=overview

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

Apparently taken at Mt Buffalo Victoria , a series of pics

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

RNZAF 1942 Ford Fordor Staff Car.

RHD, black, painted grille and trim - looks like the cheapest no-frills version from the catalog. Reportedly, ten (10) examples of the 1942 Ford V8 Fordor were exported to New Zealand during the Second World War.

Note the census number "MT2230" on the bonnet and license plate "5209" on the front bumper which has retained it's chrome

“Image from the EJ Miller personal album collection. Driver, Josie McGovern, poses with the Commanding Officer's Ford car, MT2230, at Suva Point, Fiji.”
Date: 15/11/1944

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Rear shot of another Ford Fordor in RNZAF use.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Shown here are a 1941 Ford Fordor C11A sedan and a 1942 Ford Fordor C21AS Staff Car. You can see the C11A is a Conventional vehicle, with just light alterations from a civilian vehicle.

Picture of what looks to be a 1941 Ford Fordor C11A fitted with a roof rack. Location and date: the "Biltstraat" street in Utrecht, 7 May 1945. Judging by the flag, I think this is part of the Operation Faust convoys.

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Source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...0-a9628dc6764d

[Hanno Spoelstra]

C11ADF of the RAF hiding behind Grumman Martlet III HK842 "O" of the Fleet Air Arm.

Location: Malakal, a town in Upper Nile, South Sudan

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Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/billch...th/4508310175/

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Cut-down C11ADF - somewhere in the Middle East or North Africa?

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