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15-03-08, 23:38
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Can you identify this truck?
This picture is of a truck at Abu Sultan near the Suez Canal in North Africa. My Grandfather on my Dad's side was with the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (British) and, according to his pay book, he was a "Driver I.C M.T." so I'm also assuming this is the vehicle he drove. I'm assuming further that I.C. M.T. might mean something like " Intensive Care Medical Truck or Team or something like that"
First of all: does anyone recognize the vehicle type? Any suggestions as to what "Driver I.C. M.T." might mean? Cheers, Glen. 
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16-03-08, 00:17
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That is a Morris Commercial ambulance with Mann Egerton bodywork. ICMT stands for Internal Combustion, Motor Transport ( I think, could be slightly wrong of course  )
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16-03-08, 00:19
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the Morris-Commercial CS11/30F to be precise
cheers, Arjan van der Hoek
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20-03-08, 14:49
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It sure is a Morris Commercial CS11 30 cwt. Iam currently restoring what I
believe to be a later model with vertical windscreen.The body of my ambulance was built by Morris Commercial , not Mann Egerton. The spare wheel fits behind the driver as in the Austin K2. There seems to be a shortage of good quality photographs to help my reconstruction. Is mine the only one left ?
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21-03-08, 01:14
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What does CMP mean? Do the letters in CS11 30 cwt. stand for anything? What does cwt. mean? I see these abbreviations being used, but have no idea what they mean! cheers, Glen.
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21-03-08, 02:30
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 Here's the link.
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21-03-08, 04:02
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MCC model codes , I know some of it . C = the 1933 C series range of MCC trucks . The military models were based ( to varying degrees ) on the C series range of civilian model vehicles . S = 6 cylinder motor .. some civilian and military models had a 6 cyl. eg CS = C series with 6 cyl engine . 11= Approx. 11 feet wheelbase . They rounded off the wheelbase eg. CS8 has a 8' 2" wheelbase . CS11 has approx. 11 ' wheelbase . Hope this helps Mike
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21-03-08, 04:16
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You guys forgot about cwt. This stands for hundredweight. For some reason a cwt is a little more than a hundred pounds. Therefore a 30 cwt is a little over 3000 pounds load capacity. In civvy truck terminology this would be a 1 1/2 ton truck.
By the way Glen, where are you from? This site is worldwide and it's nice to know where someone's located.
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21-03-08, 11:41
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c = Roman numeral for "100" and wt is of course weight. Quote:
16oz ~ 1lb 14lb ~ 1st (stone) 2st ~ one quarter (28lb) 4qtr ~ 1cwt (112lb) 20cwt ~ 1ton (2240lb) Up to our "metrication", commercial vehicles carried a large sign-written "plate" that defined the unladen and laden weights of the vehicle in tons, cwt, quarters and lbs; it needed to be large to get it all on! For D-Day ship loading a similar format was used but only recorded the as-loaded vehicle weight and dimensions, a standard paint stencil was used with the various figures chalked-in. You can sometimes see this in period photographs. To this day we refer to people weight in stones as kg only conveys anything to the medicos. Quote:
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21-03-08, 13:21
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I have a few pictures of Morris Ambulance and many of K2 and Bedford. I will post to you when i will at home. I have Austin K2 ambulance body and any spares, I am looking for rolling chassise for start the renovation. Radek www.austincars.wz.cz
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21-03-08, 19:09
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Hi there
Driver IC MT stands for Driver, Internal Combustion, Motor Transport. This was a trade designation. The IC part dates to when the Army had horses and steam lorries AND internal combustion engines in use. The MT referrs to the fact this Driver IC was trained to drive and maintain cars, trucks and lorries. Another designation was Driver IC Tank, which meant he was trained to drive and maintain tanks.
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21-03-08, 23:15
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I thing do you know this http://www.tech-designz.com/k2ambulance.htm and here are any pictures of Morris what i have. Radek M.
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21-03-08, 23:23
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Hundredweight: 112 lb as has been said, or one bag of cement!
Immediately pre-war and during the war, British military vehicles seem to have been in these categories: TRUCKS: 8 cwt 10 cwt (1/2 ton/tonne) 15 cwt (3/4 ton/tonne) LORRIES: 30 cwt (1 1/2 tons/tonnes) 3 tons 5 tons etc. I cannot recall seeing any 20-cwt/one-tonners now I think about it. Last edited by David_Hayward (RIP); 22-03-08 at 11:39. Reason: ACCURACY!
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22-03-08, 02:43
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Post war, a 1 ton category was introduced and in the 4x2 class there were Commer and Bedford, then the 4x4, Humber as you mentioned, also Austin K9 and Morris Commercial MRA1. Wartime 15cwt trucks that continued in service were re-classified as 1 ton, for example the Morris Commercial C8 4x4.
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22-03-08, 02:54
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Catholic schools were charming and delightful places to spend ones childhood . Mike
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22-03-08, 06:11
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE" 
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24-03-08, 00:24
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Morris & Austin Ambulance in German use WW2
Photos are from my own collection of British Trucks, Cars, Ect used by the German army. 1944 Morris C8 GS 1938 Humber used as a staff Car
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24-03-08, 03:38
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Thanks!
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24-03-08, 06:18
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Glen
How about posting your location on your profile so that when you post, it comes up each time. It helps all of us to know where the person is that we are talking to.
Welcome to the forum.
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