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Old 20-02-04, 12:59
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Default Chevrolet Heavy Utility contracts

Hi

I have recently spoken with a gentleman that has bought an unrestored HUP. It occured to me that I could really tell him little about actual production numbers and relation to type etc. I was wondering if any other information exsited as regards contracts, number produced etc, beyond what was originally published in Wheels and Tracks.

Is any one aware of any other source of information / data?

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Old 20-02-04, 14:42
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Hi Nick,

A very good question - let’s hope some more information surfaces as a result. I am always grateful for Bart Vanderveen’s extensive articles on the C8A and C8AX in Wheels & Tracks #1 and #2.

As far as contract numbers go, the C8A-04 Spare Parts List of June, 1945 gives 41 orders that vehicles were supplied on: 25 Supply/Mech Orders and 16 Miscellaneous Orders, (13 for Canada and 1 each to New Zealand, China and France).

If anyone wants the specific order numbers from that Parts List, let me know and I will send them or post them here.

Brian.
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Old 20-02-04, 16:44
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Sply /Mech Orders

C.8AX FOR NZ
S/M 2394

C.8A:
S/M 2554
S/M 2555
S/M 2556
S/M 2557
S/M 2563
S/M 2832
S/M 6013
S/M 6083
S/M 6098
S/M 6168
S/M 6169
S/M 6172
S/M 6207
S/M 6228
S/M 6230
S/M 6233
S/M 6238
S/M 6244
S/M 6269
S/M 6285
S/M 6307
S/M 6342
S/M 6397
S/M 6407
S/M 6524

Miscellaneous Orders
Canada
CDLV 59
CDLV 308
CDLV 309
CDLV 310
CDLV 1512
CDLV 1697
CDLV 1709
CDLV 2519
CDLV 2520
CDLV 2584
CDLV 2610
CDLV 2611
CDLV 3619

New Zealand
NZSM/MS-36

China
AID-CHI-22

France
AID-FR-86

The first known C8A was the pilot, # 2844500006, with the earliest known production one being # 2844501681. The last known was # 844521385 built 31 August 1945.
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Old 20-02-04, 16:48
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'S/M', 'S.M.' represents an abbreviation of 'DEMAND [not Contract as I thought] SUPPLY/MECHANICAL'. This relates to British Ministry of Supply contracts. I take it that C.D.L.V. is 'CONTRACT DEMAND LIGHT VEHICLE'? I can't imagine that it is 'CANADIAN DEMAND LIGHT VEHICLE'.
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Old 20-02-04, 17:03
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Hi david and Brian
Thanks for that.... My question really centred around which of the model types 1c1, 1c2 etc were allocated to each contarct and what sort of numbers were produced... and I suppose what still survives?

Has a representative sample survived or just particular groupings because of some quirk of georgraphy

For instance my HUP 1c1 was contract LV308, was all of contract 308 for the same vehicles? Likewise Ian McS ambulance that I am very pleased to have recently brought home is LV1512, are all ambulances traced back to this particular contract? I do know that Eric in Belgium has another ambulance from the same contract...

So, I'm wondering were the contracts model specific, is it possible to identify which models were produced i what quantity?

and what about wierd stuff like the ZL, were these 'aftermarket type' conversions or factory jobs?

If the C8AX trucks were supplied under SM2934 then what were te trucks supplied under NZSM/MS36? I had always assumed this to be the AX contract. Inidentally the SM 2934 is not listed in the C8A-04 parts list. So were there seperate publications? Any one got a copy?

Further still, what were the trucks supplied to China and to France (and where did these French trucks go?)

Lots of questions.....I'm on holiday so theres time to think!
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Old 20-02-04, 17:12
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PROTOTYPE 284450006 ENGINE 3,557,157 ORDER L.V.59 BUILT FEBRUARY 1942
2844509596 ENGINE # FR3,820,927 ORDER L.V.59 BUILT MAY 8 1942
2844509680 ENGINE FR3,821,318 ORDER L.V.308 MAY 18 1942 [C-HU-441-M]
2844509683 ENGINE FR3,821,292 ORDER L.V.308 MAY 18 1942 [C-HU-441-M]
2844509772 ENGINE FR……ORDER L.V.308 MAY 27 1942 Z58-700


# 2844513801 OCTOBER 1942> # 13 CAB FRONT WINDSCREENS OPENED 90 DEGREES FROM ORIGINAL 30

2844515234 ENGINE # FR3838709 L.V.309 AUGUST 14 1942 [C-HU-441-M-WIRE1] Z 65-479

# 2844515249> 3.3 PINT CAPACITY TRANSFER CASE

2844515380 [JUNE 5 1943] > ANTENNA SUPPORT ON RIGHT-HAND RUNNING BOARD AND BRACKET AT ROOF LEVEL
# 2844515398 [JULY 6 1943]>PAINTING RE CHARGING ON CHORE HORSE COMPARTMENT

2844515470 ENGINE # FR3,866,568 ORDER L.V. 309 NOVEMBER 17 1942

# 2844515585> [1943] WOODEN STEERING WHEEL REPLACED HARD BLACK RUBBER WHEEL

2844533400X ORDER L.V.308 JANUARY 14 1943 C.8A HUP
2844533553 ENGINE # FR3,889,176 ORDER L.V. 308 FEBRUARY 24 194
2844533564 ENGINE # FR3,889,179 ORDER L.V.308 FEBRUARY 25 1943 [ C-HU-441-M]
2844533759 ENGINE FR3,890,774 ORDER L.V.308 MARCH 19 1943 [C-HU-441-M]
2844539654 ENGINE FR????? ORDER L.V.308 FEBRUARY 25 19 1943 PERS-1
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Old 20-02-04, 17:19
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#3844514197> CHANGE IN AXLE RATIO FROM 6.166:1 to 5.428:1
3844514660 > Reinforcement plates added to inside rear portion of chassis side rails

3844514740 C-HU-441-M 441-M-AMB-1 13 CAB ENGINE FR3,914,373 C.D.L.V. 1512 JUNE 29 1943

3844515289 ENGINE # FR3,918,642 C.D.L.V. 1697 AUGUST 12 1943

3844515319> Radiator overflow tank relocated to under fender on footwell panel

3844515552 C.8HUA IC5/AMB-1 AMBULANCE C.D.L.V.1512 SEPTEMBER 14 1943

3844536244 C.D.L.V. 1697 MARCH? 1944

3844536308 ENGINE # FR3,953,561 C.D.L.V.1709 MARCH? 14 1944
3844536364 ENGINE # FR3,886,966 ORDER C.D.L.V.1709 MARCH 23 1944

3844536736 ENGINE # FR3,968,914 C.D.L.V.2519. MAY 22 1944

3844536858 [1944]IC9/PUTR-2 >Reinforced engine oil filter bracket!
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Old 20-02-04, 17:22
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4844516479 IC9/PUTR-2 C.D.L.V. 2610 SEPTEMBER 29 1944

Now, to answer the question basically the C8AX chassis-cabs were purchased by the Ministry of Supply and then shipped to NZ under aid from London. The NZ contract you mentioned was for direct purchases from Canada by the NZ government.
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Old 20-02-04, 20:15
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Hi Nick and David,

Nick asked, “Further still, what were the trucks supplied to China and to France (and where did these French trucks go?)”

I am aware of only one C8A built on an AID contract number. It is an HUW, serial #3844516858, built Jan 10/1944, on the AID to CHINA contract. And where is it located?……well, it is in France, owned by Jacky Herrault.


Nick also asked, “and what about wierd stuff like the ZL, were these 'aftermarket type' conversions or factory jobs?”

I have data plate info. on only 4 MACH-ZL2’s, all built on Contract LV. 2611:

serial # 3844536668 May 11/44, engine #FR3969158
serial # 3844536671 May 11/44, engine #FR3969368
serial # 3844536688 May 12/44, engine #FR3969099
serial # 3844536696 May 15/44, engine # unknown

Perhaps Contract LV. 2611 was exclusively for the MACH-ZL2. I don’t know of any other C8A’s built on it but the number is really too small to draw any definite conclusion. On Contract LV 1697 there is data plate information showing that both HUPs and HUWs were built.

As always, there are more questions raised than answered.

Brian
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I have another serialnumber under Contractnumber LV2611
My serialnumber is 3844536670 also a Mach ZL 2 engine number FR3969311


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