Can anyone id these wheels.

kevin powles · #1 29-05-11, 10:21

Hi, Are these wheels, carrier or Lloyd related or from another tracked vehicle, can anyone i.d. them.

Richard can you pm me if you have the guys number.

Is anyone going to the D Day weekend at Fritten lake next weekend, looks like alot of WW2 stuff is going.

Kevin.

Nigel Watson · #2 29-05-11, 10:58

Kevin they look very like the prefabricated, rather than cast, carrier wheels. Although not a pattern I've seen. Any makers stamps etc? Nice carrier wheels in background too.

Nigel

ajmac · #3 02-06-11, 01:21

Loyd fabricated wheels have more holes than that, IIRC 6 holes, would have to check my photos.

RichardT10829 · #4 02-06-11, 09:41

Kevin i spoke with him via emails matey so in the same boat as you.

ajmac · #5 02-06-11, 12:43

A Loyd Fabricated wheel shown below (photo sent to me, but not mine, can be removed if required)

NB: The type shown in the original thread pictures could well be wartime, just a version I am not aware of, does anyone have a wartime photo or parts book showing that five hole design? I also put a phot of the ripped off German version of carrier suspension, but they have 4 holes.

Hanno Spoelstra · #6 02-06-11, 12:51

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Originally Posted by ajmac

NB: The type shown in the original thread pictures could well be wartime, just a version I am not aware of, does anyone have a wartime photo or parts book showing that five hole design? I also put a phot of the ripped off German version of carrier suspension, but they have 4 holes.

Please note the German Maultier track was clearly patterned on the Carden-Lloyd system, but the Germans manufactured the components themselves which differed in size and detail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Also, there are engineering differences in track, sprocket and road wheels (see pictures of a surviving Ford V3000S Maultier). Although I have not seen a Maultier in the flesh we did find a Maultier road wheel for sale on one of the stalls at Beltring and noted it was much wider and of entirely different construction than the standard Universal Carrier road wheel - not a surprise when you know Pz.I/II track was used (instead of Carrier track like popular belief has it).
*snip*
Here's a nice picture of the bogie wheels & tracks on a Ford Maultier (source). Now, you tell me these are Universal Carrier parts...

Rob Dyba · #7 02-06-11, 15:14

Hard to pinpoint those wheels but I will go out on a limb-Bedford Traclat. Ribs, hole size, location & number match..... size looks about right.....

Rob

ajmac · #8 02-06-11, 15:22

I'm not too sure.... they look to be 20" dia like the cast UC type, tyre width etc seem to match UC, as NW said a part number would be wonderful, better yet a wartime photo, any in your books Nigel.... I've only got the 1st one

Rob Dyba · #9 02-06-11, 15:24

Image attached.... best I have to load..... Rob.

kevin powles · #10 02-06-11, 16:12

Hi, Just returned from seeing what he had there for sale, he has about 16 trollies each with four wheels, I bought two trollies off ebay and he let me collect together the best carrier spoked type wheels off various trollies the spoked carrier wheels are all british made. I paid £23 each for them so it was worth the drive, it cost £100 in diesel to get them, so in all £33 each for a good rubber wheel is fair.

What he has left and now re advertised wanting £250 a trolly is just perished and cracked rubber wheels. If there were any more worth having I would of bought them.

However I suppose he has about 18 or so really good rubber round hole wheels, I bought one for evaluation and will examine it for markings tomorrow, but on first clance they wont accept a carrier bearing, but he did have a couple of round hole wheels which were 19" profile, so they must be made for a carrier style vehicle????.

I dout if he will sell them at that price and anyone who turns up to buy them will be disapointed in the spoked style carrier wheels.

As soon as I saw he had relisted them as carrier wheels i had to get down there to have first pickings, glad i did.

I have more carrier wheels now than you can poke a stick at, I have about 20to go on the bonfire to remove the rubber.

There must be a picture somwhere with these round hole style carrier wheels in use.

Kevin

eddy8men · #11 02-06-11, 16:19

good for you kevin, you never get anything in life by hanging around waiting for it to come to you.

kevin powles · #12 03-06-11, 19:53

Having looked closly today at the round hole wheel I dont think it is carrier, the wheels are actually slightly smaller in diameter on the metal rims than a carrier wheel, the wheel has had end caps welded on the centre to modify it to suit the trolly it was off, so I could not see what style of bearing it had and suspect all the other wheels he has have been modified in the same way.

There are no markings on these cast steel wheels. I guess they came off something but not the style of suspention found on a carrier or any variation of it. shame really but they must be off something military?.

I knocked the bearings out of the 11 wheels I bought, a mixture of early brass bush style, british ball bearings and interestingly Canadian style of bearing in British TL wheels.

The brass ones i hope to get some money back from the scrap man.

kev.