FORD F30 photos wanted!

[Haridimos]

Hi all there!

As the title says, Im looking for pictures of Ford F30 ambulances (wheelbase 134') of any kind, from any era and from any angle!
And the reason is that Im writing an article at ours MV Club magazine!

Has anyone seen this F30 depicted in the second photo, in shows around UK?



kostas

EDIT: The first photo is taken from the book of Bart's Vanderveen, "Historic Military Vehicles Directory", page 46

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Haridimos

Hi all there!


Has anyone seen this F30 depicted in the second photo, in shows around UK?

Hi Kostas,

The second photo had me thinking when you sent it to me last week. I remember that Ford, it is actually a LAA tractor, the correct body was removed and I have a feeling the ambulance body may have come off a 3 ton chassis. The owner who fitted that body went to live in France, have a feeling he took the vehicle with him. That photo was taken a long time ago ........

regards, Richard

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Kostas

Are you looking just for the Ford Version of Ambulance? Or are you interested in the 30 weight version Ford or Chevy Ambulance with 16 inch wheels?

Reason I ask is that there are number of Ambulances with the 16 inch wheels that have been posted to MLU or the years which I have saved and can re-post.

There are also some photos in Bill Greggs Canadian Military Vehicles Series Vol. 3

Cheers Phil

[Haridimos]

Phil,

Im looking definitely for a Ford version of Ambulance judging from a few post war photos and some vehicle remains we found before some years.
I think that the vehicles shown in the photo below are F30s, what's your opinion?



Richard,

A french friend of mine promised to send me photos of a F60L Ambulance in France, which adorns a local Museum's collection! More soon!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Haridimos

I think that the vehicles shown in the photo below are F30s, what's your opinion?

Attachment 52733

16-inch wheels, so those must be F30's. The F60S had 20-inch wheels.

Search this forum for information and pictures, Phil has a few on his site, too: http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...ationShare.htm

H.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Haridimos

Phil,

Im looking definitely for a Ford version of Ambulance judging from a few post war photos and some vehicle remains we found before some years.
I think that the vehicles shown in the photo below are F30s, what's your opinion?

Attachment 52733

Richard,

A french friend of mine promised to send me photos of a F60L Ambulance in France, which adorns a local Museum's collection! More soon!

Hi Kostas,
I think those ambulances are on a 158" wheelbase chassis as I can see spare wheels behind the cabs on two of them.
regards, Richard

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

I think those ambulances are on a 158" wheelbase chassis as I can see spare wheels behind the cabs on two of them.

Ah yes, if 158" WB they are those elusive F60L chassis with 16-inch wheels, light steering box etc.

Would this be the 134-inch WB version?

Never a dull moment with CMPs....

[Richard Farrant]

So many variables

[derk derin]

Hi All,
I am ready to soon start on my Ford 3 ton 158'' wheel base ambulance and Rob Love mentioned to me that he heard of the F60L that had 16'' wheels.I have never found any actual reference to back this up and I am not sure If I asked Rob where he found this informaton.Has anybody heard of this for the
F60L ambulance?
Service publications has some excellent shots of the Ford ambulance box interiors,maybe contact Clive and get his disc,well worth the money!
The picture you show are Chevy 3 tons with the round roof hatch,spare tire in between the cab and box and the engine crank guide riveted on the front bumper as identifiable signs.
Regards,Derk.

[cletrac (RIP)]

Here's one down by Regina.

[Bob McNeill]

Corowa in 09 seemed to have several, one in particular seems to fit your needs, maybe someone in Townsville can give more info or pic,s.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Derk

Which cab style is your long wheelbase ambulance, Pat 12 or Pat 13? Reason I ask is that as I understand it 1942 was a transition period between Pattern 12 and Pattern 13. My 1941 Pat12 C60L originally had the 16" wheels and consequently the smaller brakes and front end but at the same time it was fitted at the factory with the winch which would make it a C60L. There are lots of photos of both long and short chassis Ambulances with the 16" wheels. Often difficult to see if they are Ford or Chevy.

I remember reading that the smaller tires was to make loading stretchers easier, and that the Ambulances had softer springs to give them a softer ride.

Wondering if the the same was true for the Fords.

Keep us posted as you start your restoration.

Cheers Phil

[derk derin]

Hi Phil,
I have a Cab 13 Ford 60 cwt long and at first I thought my CMP was a 1944 model as the only date I could find on it was the windshield glass etching 1-44 (the data plates were missing)but then Keith Webb identified the truck as an earlier model,possibly 1942 by the early dash and the smaller steering box and when I was outside yesterday looking it over,noticed a date of manufacture tag on the steering box 1-43 so now I know it is an early 1943 truck.
I am not sure what body was originally on the truck as I bought it with a newer flat deck mounted on the back and with the original data plate missing there is no way to tell.
The truck has been waiting for 3 years now to go to the sandblasters but I was sidetracked with my Ford GPW jeep project and I hope to get started on it next year!I have a thread started with photo's of my truck in the softskin section "Ford 3 ton CMP"
Regards,Derk.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Derk

Many CMPs are a mixture of parts, the way rebuild and repair facilities worked they didn't bother to keep all of the parts for a particular truck separate, one of the benefits of interchangeability.

Having said that here some thoughts, first I think you are correct that it is an ambulance or other special use truck, long wheelbase on the smaller brakes and axles just would not make sense for a general service body.

Possible things to check does it have a pintle hook and is level with the frame rails or under-slung? How many spring leafs does it have front and rear? How many turns lock to lock is the steering box? Does it have or did it have a winch? With this information and the specification section of the Ford Manual or the parts book I think you can narrow it down some more.

The if it has the straight frame mount for the pintle hook it was probably built with 16" wheels and the wheels have been changed. If it is the under-slung pintle hook assembly it could have been assembled with 20" wheels.

With the 16" wheels on the Chevy the engine is really having to spin at road speed does much better on the 20".

Now of course my observations are based on general information and on Chevy CMP manuals. How about you guys with the FORD parts books adding/correcting my assumptions.

Cheers Phil

[T Creighton]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi Derk
Now of course my observations are based on general information and on Chevy CMP manuals. How about you guys with the FORD parts books adding/correcting my assumptions.
Cheers Phil

Hi Everyone
The lighter steering box is mounted on a different front spring hanger casting to the heavier box. Some riveting involved to change them over so each size is probably determined in the factory rather than mix and match.

Attached are the relevant pages from the parts book for wheels and brake drums. You can draw your own conclusions. I hope they come up large enough to read.

Regards, Terry

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by T Creighton

Hi Everyone
.....

Attached are the relevant pages from the parts book for wheels and brake drums. You can draw your own conclusions. I hope they come up large enough to read.

Regards, Terry

Hi Terry

That's the type of information I was thinking of. Could you tell us what it says in the model line can't quite read the far right one using the 16" wheels.

Cheers Phil

[Grant Bowker]

I read the models as (left to right) blank, F8, blank, F15, F15A, blank, F30, F60S, F60L, F60H and FGT.

[T Creighton]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

I read the models as (left to right) blank, F8, blank, F15, F15A, blank, F30, F60S, F60L, F60H and FGT.

Looks like a conflict between the parts book and MBF1
I don't imagine a heavy six wheeler on 16"wheels.

Terry

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by T Creighton

I don't imagine a heavy six wheeler on 16"wheels.

I have a WW2 pic of an F60H Cab 11 with 16" wheels. It is not mine so I cannot share here but it existed.

[Alex van de Wetering]

I have a WW2 pic of an F60H Cab 11 with 16" wheels. It is not mine so I cannot share here but it existed.

I seem to remember the middle page of Wheels & Tracks no.34 shows an F60H wrecker with 16inch wheels, and and F60H with 16inch wheels is also mentioned in Barts "the Observers Military Fighting Vehicles".

Alex

[serge]

Hello

Alex you have a good memory. In Wheels and Tracks number 34, the F60H in the center of the paper is described as having wheels with 16".

In an other domain I have examined the bible of all CMP collectors and BART VANDERVEN give some indications about the wheels used by FORD F60L or CHEVROLET C60L with ambulance body and even by F602L.

About the ambulance in FRANCE I know that in the museum of BAYEUX NORMANDY there is a CMP ambulance but I have not soon seen the truck.
Best regards Serge

[Haridimos]

Originally Posted by serge

About the ambulance in FRANCE I know that in the museum of BAYEUX NORMANDY there is a CMP ambulance but I have not soon seen the truck.
Best regards Serge

Hi Serge,

..are you refering to the one below? a french friend passed me these two old photos of an ex-French Navy F60L Ambulance that seemed to be in a static display in a collection or a Museum.
He was not sure if the truck is still there now. Obviously has the 20' tyres.

[serge]

Hello KOSTAS

I know that an original CMP ambulance is stored in the museum in the town of BAYEUX situated in NORMANDY. As many CMP these truck belong to the last batch of CMP vehicles which were sold in the haven of BREST at the end of the 70' years. Most part of them were buyed by european military vehicles collectors and the ambulance arrived in this museum.
Unhappily I have never visited the museum and certainly the truck is stored in a shed but I have founded the email address of the manager of the museum : the docteur JP BENAMOU.
I give you these one with the hope that he will answer.

benamou.jp@wanadoo.fr

Nevertheless I think that the truck displayed in your last post should be a F60L and not a 30cwt as you are looking for.
Best regards Serge

[Alex van de Wetering]

..are you refering to the one below? a french friend passed me these two old photos of an ex-French Navy F60L Ambulance that seemed to be in a static display in a collection or a Museum.

Just speculating, but to me it looks like the For Freedom museum in Knokke, Belgium....they have a nissen hut with vehciles , most of which are on loan.

Alex