Chevrolet C60 twins (reposted)

[Rolf S. Ask]

Well I will try again.
I was visiting a fellow MV-collector a few weeks back, and noticed two of his CMP's.
And by chance they stood side by side....
It is one C60L and one C60S
The C60S has the following dataplates:

C60444-M-P
2844222469
PR 3848305
SM 2569
Aug 21-42

C60444-M-WIN-4

The C60L has the following dataplate:
C60448-M
2844322574
PR 3844633
SM 2654
AUG 21-42

C60448-M-STORE-2

and n the door: L 4999868

Now; who can tell me what a WIN-4 is? It has a winch in the front of the body like the derrick, but is it a derrick (or was it an auger??) Anyone having any pictures or orher information on this truck?
And I have never seen any diagram of the interior of a STORE-2, would be nice to see one.
And the SM numbers? Are they this different because they were ordered by different branches?
In a garage nearby he had another C60L (a very original and very nice one)serialnumber 2844321008 which was delivered AUG-6-42 but this one has a SM order number 2570. This makes a production of 1566 C60L's in 15 days, but again a big gap in the SM numbers (84).
And above all, he even had another truck witch has been "WIN-4"

Rolf

[Rolf S. Ask]

there anyone who can tell me a little??

Rolf

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Yes it's a Winch truck!
L 4999775 to 4999845 Contract S/M 2569 'LORRY 3 TON 4 X 4 WINCH ARTICIZED'. There is a photo in the Imperial War Museum of one, # IWM PHOTO KID 1284...

The other truck is in the batch L 5421311 to 5421420 to Contract SM 2654 for 'LORRY 3 TON 4 X 4 STORES'. The census number L 4999868 is actually from the series:
L 4999866 to 4999912 Contract SM 2568 'LORRY 30 CWT. 4 X 4 OFFICE ARTICIZED' E.G. L 4999883 IWM PHOTO KID 4589 but I am sure that the vehicle is actually a C60L. It would appear that the census number is not correct on the face of it.

L4948501 to 4950228 Contract SM 2570 'LORRY 3 TON 4 X 4 GS ARTICIZED' AS AT 1 OCTOBER 1942: 1,728 PRODUCED

I am going to add the serial numbers quoted into my database and then repost all 1942 C60S and C60L models known to compare serial number and dates.

[Rolf S. Ask]

David.
I guess the door on it has been changes once.....
Here is a picture of the vehicles.

Rolf

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

C60S:
2844200107M ENGINE # PR3,785,241, WO 30 CAB [[MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844200591M MAY 26 1943 MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED WO78 CAB
2844200730M ENGINE # PR3,874,378 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844200745
2844200747
28442M00771S ENGINE # PR3,867,384 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED?]
28442M00781 ENGINE # PR3,877,238 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844200807M ENGINE # PR3,860,120 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
28442M00859 ENGINE # PR3,877,29x [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844201052
2844201695
2884202455
2844202537
2844206117
2844206113
2844210144
2844210469
2844210470
2844210622
2844210673
2844214271
2844219198
2844222469 ENGINE # PR3,848,305 ASSEMBLED AUGUST 21 1942

PLATE WILL SAY:
GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA
CHASSIS MODEL C60444-M-P
CAB MODEL 13
CHASSIS SERIAL 2844222469
ENGINE SERIAL PR3848305
ORDER SM 2569
DATE OF MFG Aug 21 42

C60444-M-WIN-4 WINCH TRUCK


C60L:

2844300048
28443P00264 ENGINE # PR3,875,501 ASSEMBLED MAY 1944 [PERTH-ASSEMBLED?]
844300565S ENGINE # PR3,886,562 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED?]
2844300629S ENGINE # PR3,856,809 562 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED?]
2844300666S ENGINE # PR3,867,146 562 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED?]
2844300726M ENGINE # PR3,967,937 ASSEMBLED MAY 13 1943 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
28442M00781 ENGINE # PR3,877,238 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844300902M ENGINE # PR3,886,391 ASSEMBLED MARCH 6 1944 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844301182M ENGINE # PR3,837,202 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844301216M ENGINE # PR3,878,260 [MELBOURNE ASSEMBLED?]
2844301222M ENGINE # PR3,867,548 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
28443M01248 ENGINE # PR3,867,804 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2844308466
2844300734
2844321008 ENGINE # PR3,84XXXX ASSEMBLED AUGUST 6 1942
2844321336
2844321487 ENGINE # PR3,844,634
2844321553
2844322574 ENGINE # PR3,844,633 ASSEMBLED AUGUST 21 1942
2844324283
284432497X
2844324992
2844325065
284432575x
2844329127
2844329824
2844334855
2844337576
2844339164
2844339378
2844339642
2844339827
2844340785
2844341050
2844342576 ENGINE # PR3,892,165 ASSEMBLED MAY 4 1943
2844342588 ENGINE # PR3,881,708 [4-TON ARTICULATED WHEN DEMOBBED]


GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA
CHASSIS MODEL C60448-M
CAB MODEL 13
CHASSIS SERIAL 2844322574
ENGINE SERIAL PR3844633
ORDER SM 2654
DATE OF MFG Aug 21 42

C60448-M-STORE-2 STORES TRUCK

GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA
CHASSIS MODEL C60448-M
CAB MODEL 13
CHASSIS SERIAL 2844321008
ENGINE SERIAL PR384xxxx
ORDER SM 2570
DATE OF MFG Aug 6 42

Do we have the engine # please?

NOTE that 2844322574 had ENGINE # PR3,844,633 ASSEMBLED AUGUST 21 1942 and 2844321487 had ENGINE # PR3,844,634!!!

[Max Hedges]

David


I have a C15 blitzwith chassis number 2842100047S do you have any means of dating this oneas the general motors of Canada plate is missing. Also do you think the S means assembled in Sydney, I have noticed others with S on them as well around the district. Keith may know better, but I thought that chevs were only built in Melbourne. I once had a lend of a book printed by G M H on their war effort and what they made in Australia.

Max

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Max, I have a note of your truck already! This is the complete 1942 C.15 database that I have:

2842100047S [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED?]
2842100100 [HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED] PRESERVED
2842100244M ENGINE # SR3,779,671 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2842100317M ENGINE # PR3,835,385 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
2842100508S ENGINE # WR3,815,503 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED?]
2842100591M ENGINE # SR3,858,033 MARCH 19 1943 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]
28421000919 ENGINE # SR3,851,790 WO12 (WIRELESS) HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED
2842130xx ENGINE SR3,853,267
2842131045
2842131140
2842131409
2842131421
2842131482
2842132593
28421M40750 ENGINE # PR3,835,432 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED?]

I have yet to come across any Brisbane-assembled CMPs or any Adelaide-assembled ones for that mater, but here is a rare known Perth one:
2844400189P ENGINE # WR3,859,926 MAY 5 1944 [note "P" at the end of the serial number and contrast it with:
28443P00264 ENGINE # PR3,875,501 ASSEMBLED MAY 1944 [where the "P" is after the model number].

Having said that, in post-war years Brisbane did not use "B" as a Plant Code ["A" was "Adelaide"], and used a shortened Model Number.

[Max Hedges]

David

You have got me checking out a few more chassis numbers to see if you have them

C15 2842100041S engine no ?
C15 2842100047S engine no TR3970956 Not sure if
original engine


Others
38442M69437 engine no?
38443M63565 engine no PR3957141
order no SM-E52-448
date of manufacture 14-11-44 AUS M
Keith may hav e given you this last one I'm not sure.

Ther is still a couple of others here to check out and a few more around the district.

regards Max

[Max Hedges]

David

You have got me checking out a few more chassis numbers to see if you have them

C15 2842100041S engine no ?
C15 2842100047S engine no TR3970956 Not sure if
original engine


Others
38442M69437 engine no?
38443M63565 engine no PR3957141
order no SM-E52-448
date of manufacture 14-11-44 AUS M
Keith may hav e given you this last one I'm not sure.

Ther is still a couple of others here to check out and a few more around the district.

regards Max

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Max, thanks for the info. The first one, the C.15 # 41, Sydney-assembled, is a new one on me. The next one I knew of, but the engine is oin theory a right-hand drive Truck motor, say from May 1944. as fitted to a Maple Leaf or Chevrolet MCP [or intended to be].

As to the APPARENT C60S 38442M69437, is that serial correct as I have info only of two others, and the sequential number is much higher...I take it that it IS/was A Model 8442 and not A C60L model 8443?? The other I have thanks, although note the "AUS M" which I assume represents "Austrlai Melbourne" assembly.

Yes please, more serials!

EDITED BY DAVID APOLOGIES MAX..

[Max Hedges]

Dear David

Yes David that is the correct number for the C 60S a 38442.

Max

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I have a suggestion from all the evidence so far that Holden-assembled CKD CMPs had blank plates and the serial number was allocated at the assembly plant in Australia: A,B,M,P,S in theory though I have yet to see any apparent Adelaide or Brisbane assembled trucks. Thus each plant started their sequential number with 0001, plus plant code. However, SUP trucks carried the CANADIAN serial number and dataplates but had a Holden assembly plant stamped on as well when built up and bodied. This also ties in with known South African and New Zealand assembled trucks that carried their "X" codes. I assume that any CKD assembled in Bombay in India also had the relevant "X" code prefix. The same goes for Batavia, NEI.

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
I have a suggestion from all the evidence so far that Holden-assembled CKD CMPs had blank plates and the serial number was allocated at the assembly plant in Australia: A,B,M,P,S in theory though I have yet to see any apparent Adelaide or Brisbane assembled trucks. Thus each plant started their sequential number with 0001, plus plant code.

I think you're probably correct, David - I don't recall ever seeing a paint or trim filled in.

Your research into these interesting subjects is outstanding and much appreciated!

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Sorry Mate, but it's guys like you who come up with the goods, namely taking the trouble to find these relics and then enable backroom guys like myself to put the jigsaw together.

So, I have to say, bollards to that and say keep up the excellent work Keith, Geoff, Max, Hanno, and everyone else.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I have noticed that I now have sufficient information on these 1941-42 S/M contracts for Ford and Chevrolet CMPs to be able to post them for perusal. I am just going to lift them up to my website and then I will advise what the http address is. Basically I have found several contracts for overseas delivery and they may prove of interest to our Antipodean friends.

[Max Hedges]

Here are a few more chev numbers

38444S00830 eng WR3925820 WO 8
284420095S
28442M00781 eng PR3877238 WO38 (tanker)
2844200538M eng PR3849349 WO38 date 30-4-43
3844460364 WR3943036 WO8 date 31-7-44
order SM E52446
2842100591 SR3858033 WO73 date 19-3-43 this one also has chassis model 8421 L but also the number on the chassis is different to the data plate 2842100592M
38444B 00073

there are still a few to get

Max

[Max Hedges]

Sorry the second one should read 2844200295S

Max