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Old 08-11-05, 12:22
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Gents,
I received a phone call from James Swan last night to advise that he was successful in his tender bid for the New Zealand M113 feet of 62 vehicles.The majority have the T50 Turret and are in running condition. He also has 4 x Fitters Carriers, 3 x M577 Command Carriers 1 x Mortar Carrier and 5 x M548 Supply Carriers.

Some of the Carriers have seen operational service in East Timor and Bosnia - all are painted in the NZ camouflage scheme.

All vehicles are currently located in Hamilton NZ. James is asking AUD $40,000 for the standard M113A1 with the T50 turret.

James Swan can be contacted on his email at:

shejam@hotkey.net.au

I have asked for some photos of the fleet, which I will pass on when supplied.
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Old 10-11-05, 16:32
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The carriers are painted in the NZ MERDC scheme (Middle East Red Desert Camoflage). $40,000 does seem a fair price!
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Old 10-11-05, 21:15
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The carriers are painted in the NZ MERDC scheme (Middle East Red Desert Camoflage). $40,000 does seem a fair price!
hi Tony,

That price converted to Sterling is quite high, you can get the equivalent FV432 for half that in UK. It will be interesting to see if any come over and what the asking price is, once shipping has been taken in to account.

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Old 11-11-05, 01:25
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us in the US would love to have one, but they cant be brought back to the US
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Old 11-11-05, 05:37
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Tony, Iwent with a friend prior to tendering, to check them out. My opinion was that they were in a pretty bad state, although the spares would have made the deal much more attractive.
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Old 11-11-05, 14:25
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I have asked for some photos of the fleet, which I will pass on when supplied.
Those contemplating purchasing an M113, at least for combat purposes might want to reconsider after viewing my pics. The Golan Heights in Israeli occupied Syria is littered with the remains of AFV's from the Yom Kippur war. Just as the Brits found out in the Falklands, aluminum doesn't resist the effects of blast very well, and burns quite nicely once it gets going!
Here's a photo of an Israeli M113, or I should say, what remains of one! If you look closely you will see embedded in the aluminum:

Prisms from a pair of binoculars
Snaps from an Israeli uniform
A fork stamped in Hebrew
Several 7.62 mm bullets
Several burst 7.62 X 51 mm cases
Links from an FN M.A.G.

Very little remained of the M113. The hull melted and collapsed onto itself, with the fire burning right through the floor of the vehicle. A large Cedar tree has grown up in the ensuing years right through the middle of whats left of the M113! I searched the immediate area around the APC and found a fire scorched Israeli telephone token on the ground. There was one call home never made.
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Old 12-11-05, 03:00
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Hi Tony,

The M 113'S are still located at Trentham, Wellington as of Friday 11th November.

I understand the US state department has not yet issued end user certificates as they are busy, I also understand that end user certificates will be required from the us government for on going sales of these.

These vehicles are in average to tired condition, never the less would make for a nice addition to any collection.

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Old 12-11-05, 03:50
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Hi Tony,
I understand the US state department has not yet issued end user certificates as they are busy, I also understand that end user certificates will be required from the US government for on going sales of these.
Cheers,

Brent Delaney.
So a shady past, or associating with the wrong people would make you ineligible to buy one? Maybe I shouldn't have told MLU members!
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Old 12-11-05, 12:05
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Only about 20 are runners, some are lacking tracks, some have no bogie wheels or track, some are lacking engines,or major drive line components some are holding a lot of water, and some have been parked there for 5 years. Still would have liked one though(at a less than rediculous price) The ex Bosnian ones are still painted white.
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Old 08-03-06, 12:36
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The lastest (rumour) info is that the US State Department has vetoed the sale of these M113s and they are now to be scrapped! Brent, Lynn- any confirmation of this?
I know of a possible buyer in Aus who will not only be disappointed, but regretting having to sell a few "Things" at fire sale prices to finance his purchase.
Or is the scrap story being confused with the disposal of the Land Rover fleet?
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Old 08-03-06, 23:26
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Guys,
This was from the Local Rag.

US blocks sale of Army's old personnel carriers
20.02.06
Sixty decommissioned Army vehicles will probably be turned into scrap metal after the United States vetoed a $1 million sale to an Australian dealer.

New Zealand bought the M113 armoured personnel carriers from the United States about 40 years ago, on the condition that the State Department approved any future sale of the vehicles.

A private Australian dealer won the tender, but the sale was vetoed under new security measures in the United States. Australian dealer James Swan, who won the contract, said the US should compensate New Zealand.

It was understood that Mr Swan was going to pay just over $1 million.

New Zealand Minister Ron Mark said the vehicles could have been "combat effective" in Iraq today if the Government had spent about $215 million to upgrade them.

But James Funnell, spokesman for Defence Minister Mr Goff, said that the vehicles were "dinosaurs" and unsuitable for modern Army use.

The Government would be looking at other options for the fleet, but considering the United States position, turning them into scrap metal seemed likely.

Mr Funnell said the decision by the Americans came as no surprise, but the Government was optimistic the sale would have been approved.

"We were hopeful that they would recognise that our M113s are 50 years old and are basically dinosaurs, but unfortunately a far more modern variant - goodness knows how many generations newer than our ones - are still used by the Americans, therefore they classify it as of being strategic importance."

- NZPA
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Old 08-03-06, 23:32
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some years ago the DOE department of energy had some m-114 hulls it tried to give back to the army. the army didnt want them and told them to be scrapped. the DOE sold them to collectors, congres went nuts (the DEMS) after some in calafornia "leaked" the fact that the US government was giving fully functioning main battle tanks to civilians. so now the government is hyper sencitive about all this. now thats my tax dollars at work.
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Old 09-03-06, 01:49
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The latest issue of the N.Z.M.V.C.C, makes mention of investigating the possibility of taking out a court injunction to prevent the destruction of the m113s and to consider the possibility of local collectors buying some of them. I hope it all happens.
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Old 09-03-06, 07:34
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Hello Board,

There is more to this than has been published!
Well no surprises so far, considering the fact that certian people that were involved in the tender process now have sour grapes!
If they had been patient and keeped there cool and had not gone to the media maybe the outcome would have been different,
now scrapping the bulk of these is probably the only way that the NZ government can scrape egg off its face.

There are a lot of people behind the scenes that are still trying too prevent the scraping of these, unfortantly all may be lost, now that this has turned political.

There would have been more than enough for collectors in this country to aquire one! After all these were never going to leave our shores intact.

On the good side at least they had the sense to preserve some for prosperity.

Thanks,

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