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16-02-07, 03:30
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Looking for a Boys rifle in Canada?
Well, you are going to have to look pretty hard. There are likely more carriers than there are rifles according to the database of the Cdn Firearms Center.
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...fire/form.html The link above (for as long as it works) will take you to a database that a reporter at the Ottawa Citizen got through freedom of information requests from the RCMP/Firearms center. Anyway. a search for privately owned (individual) Boys, Boyes, RBmk1, and Inglis in the make or model search fields reveals there are only around 33 or so (registered) Boys rifles in Canada. You can also search for such exotic guns as Brens, stens, Vickers, etc. It is actually surprising how few of these guns (registered) still exist in this country. 
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16-02-07, 03:56
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Got any more good news???
Truly a remarkable database to be public. What was the 'bent' of the Ottawa Citizen reporter? What was he/she out to prove? What effect will it have on the whole debate?
What's interesting also is the lack of standardization. The same item can have literally dozens of names. So maybe there are a few more Boyes, Boys, RB Mk.1's out there than this would indicate. Please.
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16-02-07, 04:00
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Interesting site. I shall have to see how many from our Rgt Musuem have been listed yet.
One thing to consider is the dewated ones. There must be lots more then usuable ones. Funny story to relate about dewats. Awhile back we had some smart MP's (aren't they all) come down to our museum for the annual check up. They had a list of things that had to be followed no matter what. One of them says to our curator, "All firearms must be dewated so that they cannot be fired, etc, etc." Our curator replies that we only have to "disable" them. Blank look on both MP's faces.  Finaly after an awkward moment of silence one says "my list says dewated so that they cannot be fired, etc, etc" Curator replies they have been "diabled" and not "deactivated" MP's have blank look again. Finaly one says "whats the difference" still Our curator replies "that by disabling them they cannot fire but future generations can put them back together to see how they fire" MP's still Our curator then says "let me put it this way, if I shoot you in the knee cap YOU ARE DISABLED, if I shoot you in the forehead (puts index finger on MP's forehead), YOU ARE DEACTIVATED" MP's still but leave us with the promiss of getting back with a final yes, no. its been over 4 years and they still must be trying to figure this one out.
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16-02-07, 04:45
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Making this database public has caused much debate over on the gununtz forum. The journalist who put this up did it to allow people to enter their first two digits of their postal codes and see how many machine guns and prohibited guns were in their areas. He wanted 3 digits to the postal codes, but the rcmp said they would only give him two so that individuals in smaller towns couldn't be identified.
Problem with their theory was that on many custom guns, and home built guns, people would use their names as the "make" or model. With a 411 search, and a google earth, you can get a map right to the gun owners doorstep. The reason why you will find so many variations to the make and models is because so many of the registrations have never been verified, and still are as described by their owners. Worse yet, you will find Brens, stens, AK47s, etc, hidden away in the database as non-restricted. Look for funny entries too. Try search terms like "bent", "rusted", or "old". Quite a few of those in there too. Jordan: Your curator is absolutely right. Guns within a Cdn Forces museum are not to be altered. They fall within the CF inventory, and as such are not subject to the CFC rules. There was in fact a CFTO a few years ago detailing the deactivation procedures for guns going to museums, but it was soon after rescinded.
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17-02-07, 01:40
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I have followed all the gunnutz threads and tried the database access procedure. I've fired off (pun?) an e-mail to my MP, accusing HIS GOVERNMENT of violating my privacy and also putting my family and property at risk because, armed with the two character postal code given to the Ottawa Citizen BY THE RCMP!!!, a reasonably proficient hacker could identify my home and my holdings. He'd only have to back track the IP on the hit I made. I am supremely pissed off and, awaiting a reply, shall take such measures as I deem necessary to safeguard my life and property from any scum bag who thinks he can violate my home. Buried as this may be in this thread, I hope that those of MLU (Canadians) who read this follow up and write scathing letters to their MP, PM, and Stockwell Day.
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17-02-07, 14:39
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If you check the database with search terms like dewat, deactivated, or wallhanger, I think you will find a few have been registered as well. There are even a few flare pistols and smoke dischargers in there. The registry is recorded as having a 75% error rate. Jon: My letters have already gone out. I know we have a few members on MLU who work at the Cdn Firearms Center.....What were your co-workers thinking when they released this data? As a research tool, I find this databank fascinating. Serial numbers would have made it even more so. If they had left out things like the postal code and the ability to select business/individual, I think it would have been much less controversial.
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17-02-07, 15:44
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I have a Martini falling block handgun in 303 British. It's the only one registered in Canada. I guess that makes it easy to find on the database.
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17-02-07, 16:35
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Registry database shows 32 of them...many in .303. Only one in Saskatchewan.
I'm going to guess that this one is yours: Make: Martini Model: Manufacturer: Type: Handgun Action: Single Shot Classification: Restricted Barrel length: 146 Calibre: 303 Shots: 1 Postal Code: S0 Province: SK Country: Canada Client type: Individual Registration Date: 1/16/2003 Here are all f them: MAKE MODEL TYPE ACTION CLASS PROV Indian Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Indian Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Indian Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full INDIAN MARTINI COPY OF AFGANISTAN PISTOL Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full INDIAN MARTINI COPY OF AFGANISTAN PISTOL Handgun Single Shot Restricted ON full Indian Martini Copy Of Afganistan Pistol Handgun Single Shot Restricted QC full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full MARTINI Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full MARTINI Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full MARTINI Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted NS full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted ON full Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted SK full Martini Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full Martini Martini Handgun Single Shot Restricted QC full Martini Martini-Type Handgun Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full Martini Martini-Type Handgun Handgun Single Shot Restricted NB full Martini Martini-Type Handgun Handgun Single Shot Restricted ON full Martini Martini-Type Handgun Handgun Single Shot Restricted ON full MARTINI HENRY SPORTER Rifle Other Restricted NF full MARTINI-ENFIELD Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Martini-Enfield Handgun Single Shot Restricted ON full MARTINI-ENFIELD HOWDA (CUSTOM MADE) Handgun Single Shot Restricted AB full Martini-Enfield Martini-Enfield Custom Handgun Single Shot Restricted BC full Martini-Enfield Martini-Enfield Custom Handgun Single Shot Restricted NF full Martini-Enfield Martini-Enfield Custom Handgun Single Shot Restricted NT full Martini-Enfield Martini-Enfield Custom Handgun Single Shot Restricted ON
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17-02-07, 16:56
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I don't know whwt I did on the search that only showed the one. Maybe I hadn't changed the Sask box like I thought I did, It's quite a thing to shoot. Kicks like a mule!
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17-02-07, 22:07
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I know there was one in Northern Alberta in '72.. I saw it and handled it ,but didn't get to fire it.. They were designed for close in fighting after the Indian Mutiny ...to accept the same cartridge as the Enfield .303...or so I was told by the owner...
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18-02-07, 00:10
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The .303 Martini has number 2s stamped all over it. I think this would be because the .577 caliber stuff that they carried would have fit in the .303 chamber with catastrophic results so the 2s were a warning.
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18-02-07, 01:07
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Or is it the 2.22 markings from the proofing of the gun, required by Britain prior to civilian sale?
There are hundreds of firearms in the registry with 222 as either the model or the make. Again, the problem with unverified firearms.
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