Carrier mirror stem

[Ben]

Does anyone have an original mirror stem from a MK1 (TL12900) I have the fixing plate but the stem has been snapped off. I could do with knowing the diameter and length of the stem so I can cut and weld on a new one.

Thank you

Ben

[Michael R.]

E-mail sent.

[eddy8men]

I need the same thing, ross could you give us the dimensions. cheers

rick

[chris vickery]

MRoss is a great guy, I am sure he would be kind enough to post it here for all the carrier brethren to share.
Maybe we should have a separate thread on repro carrier parts with dimensions, drawings etc?

[kevin powles]

Ben, if you can wait til the next meet, I can lend you one. A Canadian carrier has the mirror mounted on the drivers front plate, a British carrier on the drivers side plate, now some bodies going to prove me wrong??.

Kevin.

[RichardT10829]

Was going to say the same mate but confidence held me back....

[RichardT10829]

I also need a mirror stem :-)

[Ben]

There you go Kevin

[Ben]

If I get a minute I'll do a drawing for the assembly so everyone can use it. I've been promised the stem dimension so it should be the missing info.

Out of interest I've never seen a mirror mounted on the side armour (your turn Kevin) but the vertical stem seems to have moved from one edge to the middle depending on manufacturer.

Ben

[kevin powles]

Ben,

What do expect from a Carrier with the track on round the wrong way!,

Ignore my previous mutterings, It's Mk2 Carriers with the side mounted mirror, Canadian Or British!.

The carrier sickness is taking effect.

kev.

[Lynn Eades]

Ben, this is another variation. HMH209 shows it in the middle with a shorter stem. The majority have the longer stem mounted on the outside of the bracket (still mounted on the same two holes of the front armour) I have two NOS ones at home. I think the side mount is very late production.

[Ben]

Lynn

Having just thought about it then looking at a bunch of period photos, the Brens seem to have the central mounted shorter stem. It can be shorter as the armour isn't there above the drivers head. From the Scout onwards the stem grew in height, to see over the armour. The Scouts original mounting matches the photos and should be the same as a MK1????

Ben

[Richard Farrant]

Hi Ben,
I am assuming the part number of the mirror itself is LV6/MT3 ... the WD 1924 type, then the attached photo is of a bracket for one of these mirrors, it has an extension rod clamped in it to which the mirror is clamped and is 1/2" OD. These mirrors were pre-war design (assuming 1924 being date of introduction) and were made by a number of manufacturers, Desmo, Raydyot, etc.

[Ron Pier]

HMMM! Not sure that is suitable for a vertical plate Richard? More like a vehicle wing. Ron

[Lynn Eades]

Ben, on page 129 of your parts book;
Carrier M.G. and Cavalry carrier used the early stem. The later stem is the same for all surviving earlier types of carriers. Bren, Scout, AOP MkII, U.C. MkI.
The Aussies were clever. They could fold theirs down.
Richard, Desmo was one of the manufacturers of the CMP or carrier rectangular mirror, but as Ron says, I don't think your arm is carrier unless it is a late type one.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Ron Pier

HMMM! Not sure that is suitable for a vertical plate Richard? More like a vehicle wing. Ron

No Ron, I know it is not for a Carrier, I used it to indicate the diameter of the arm. The mirrors if of the WD Type 1924 always seem to have the same size clamps.

regards Richard

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Richard, Desmo was one of the manufacturers of the CMP or carrier rectangular mirror, but as Ron says, I don't think your arm is carrier unless it is a late type one.

Lynn,
As you can see in my reply to Ron, I did not indicate the part I pictured was for a Carrier, it was purely to confirm the size of the rod the mirror clamps too, assuming it was the standard Type 1924. So did the Canadians import the Desmo mirrors from England then? They were a West Midland motor accessory business, see attached advert showing their mirror, dated 1926.

[Lynn Eades]

Richard, sorry, I mis understood what you were trying to say.
I assume (always dangerous) that the Brit ones were made and used, and that the Canadians opted to produce them as well.
The first 3 pics are of a North African Bring back (I was not top bidder) Of British origin. the last picture is of the two Argentinian Ebay ones bought. I cant remember the history of them , so assume later, Canadian, British or even maybe U.S manufacture? (I think they were T16 parts?)

[Ron Pier]

Yes sorry, I misunderstood also Richard. I think the type 1924 became quite scarce, as owners of MG's were buying them up and chroming them for interior mirrors. I think Paul Beck sells repros for these guys now. Ron

[Ben]

Lynn, yeah I saw the parts book. I suspect the shorter "Bren" stem could be 3372 and that stocks were used up. The stem I'm after is the longer, later 12900 for the Scout. I found the mount in good condition, just needs the stem

Richard, the mirror has the parts number MT3/LU/620143, I've been told its a lucas type 160. Did Lucas buy Desmo and adopt the mirror?, it's the same or very, very similar to the type 160.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Ben

Lynn, yeah I saw the parts book. I suspect the shorter "Bren" stem could be 3372 and that stocks were used up. The stem I'm after is the longer, later 12900 for the Scout. I found the mount in good condition, just needs the stem

Richard, the mirror has the parts number MT3/LU/620143, I've been told its a lucas type 160. Did Lucas buy Desmo and adopt the mirror?, it's the same or very, very similar to the type 160.

Hi Ben,
I do not believe that Desmo had any connections with Lucas, but according to the 1943 issue of the LV6MT3 Vocab, the Lucas Type 160A/75 mirror (the only Lucas mirror listed in this issue), was no longer available as it says to demand MT3/44106, which is the Desmo version, what it does still list LU/620175 Bracket, mirror fixing. There is the briefest of sketches showing the mirror outline and a bracket with two fixing holes.

In later years there was at least one other maker of this pattern mirror and that was Raydyot and construction was slightly different. I seem to recollect the rim on one clipped in to place with four detents and the other had four screws in the periphery.

regards, Richard

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by eddy8men

I need the same thing, ross could you give us the dimensions. cheers

rick

Canadian Mk.1:

[Lynn Eades]

On the mirrors:
The Desmo one has the 4 screws on the two edges, while the (raydot?) ones have them on the back. (see my pics)
On the brackets;
I have Two NOS ones at home. One has the stem arc welded to the plate. The other is spot welded.
Bruce, yours appears to be spot welded, or are the two parts sweated together?

[eddy8men]

thanks bruce for the pics and dimensions

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

On the mirrors:
The Desmo one has the 4 screws on the two edges, while the (raydot?) ones have them on the back. (see my pics)

Lynn,
The Lucas mirror had the screws in back face.
Here is a picture of a Lucas one;
http://lot-images.atgmedia.com/IB/28...06_155x155.jpg

[David Dunlop]

Lynn.

Regarding your above post #18, my No. 2 Mk II* Cdn carrier had an original mirror still attached when found and I do not recall seeing any maker marks of any kind on it. I eventually found some Lucas MG mirrors and double ckecked the back of the carrier mirror for ID. Nothing. Considering the quantity of mirrors that would have been needed for all vehicle production in Canada during the war, I suspect a Canadian source was in effect somewhere.

David

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Bruce, yours appears to be spot welded, or are the two parts sweated together?

Sweated or brazed...definitely not welded or spot welded.

[Ben]

Yes, thank you Bruce. Mine looks like it was welded, same messy weld as seen around the base of the light mounts.