military bridging

[Les Freathy]

Michel better late than never here is a close up of the crab tank on the bridge i hope it provides details you are looking for
cheers
Les

[MicS]

Les,

Thanks a lot for posting this close-up. The turret number '21' is consistent with 'A' Squadron, and would make this tank part of 2 Troop 'A' Sqn 1 Lothians.

Other markings are not readable but could include the AoS number '52', the tank name and T-number, plus maybe some loading code:



The name of the tank should be one of these four, since No.20 was RHODERICK DHU T212645, see http://proxy.handle.net/10648/ac053d...8-003048976d84

ROB ROY
RED DOUGLAS
RED COMYN
RED TOD

Maybe the name could be guessed if the original photo is a good print and could be further enlarged ?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by MicS

The turret number '21' is consistent with 'A' Squadron, and would make this tank part of 2 Troop 'A' Sqn 1 Lothians.

Other markings are not readable but could include the AoS number '52', the tank name and T-number, plus maybe some loading code:

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The name of the tank should be one of these four, since No.20 was RHODERICK DHU T212645, see http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/afbe...rm/00011000125

Michel,

The link you provided above is dead, but possibly it pointed to the attached picture of Sherman Crab T-212645 RHODERICK DHU after it met its demise at Westkapelle, The Netherlands, during Operation Infatuate II in November 1944.

HTH,
Hanno

af7211829b5d7052d84771d886ea3d3aa16bca93f04f7e68ac560012dac7a40f.jpg
Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/ac053d...8-003048976d84

[MicS]

Hanno,

Thank you for the new link . These otherwise excellent photobanks have a tendency to change their interface every so often, and I can't always keep up

I've updated the link in the referred post.

Michel

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by MicS

Thank you for the new link . These otherwise excellent photobanks have a tendency to change their interface every so often, and I can't always keep up

I've updated the link in the referred post.

Michel,

And thank you for your in-depth analysis and documentation!

I have taken the liberty to celan up some of your postings by adding the pictures as attachments, plus links to their sources. That way, the pictures are in a format which fits the screen, and will alway stay within the respective thread, even if the photobank or photo hosting service changes their policy. While the public photobanks may change their interfaces, I am more concerned by the private photo hosting companies changing their policies - like Photobucket recently did. So please attach your photos to your posts as described here.

Thanks in advance!
Hanno

[MicS]

Hanno,

Thanks for adding my pics as attachments. The reason I used external photo hosting is that sometimes a forum software changes and (at least some of) the photos get lost along the way. This happened to me on Missing Lynx looong ago and on ww2talk recently .
Another is that (I think?) one has to be a member to see the attchments, and I felt that this condition might reduce the visibility of the photos and therefore the probability of someone with some relevant info to see them and join in.

But as you rightly pointed out, the Photobucket Massacre shows that this is not a perfect solution either (I did leave them long ago, so fortunately was not affected apart maybe from some very old posts which I may have forgotten about), so I would think that with both options we run less risks of losing the photos altogether.

Michel

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Michel,

Indeed I edited your posts to include both a local attachment plus a link to the photo hosting site, or the online source photo bank. Best of both worlds I think?

Anyway, I came across your name on several forums in relation to Sherman Crabs and the 1st Lothian and Border Horse Yeomanry. I am doing some research into the Shermans used in Infatuate II. I'll start a new thread and would like to ask you to chime in if you can.

Thanks,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by MicS

Thanks a lot for posting this close-up. The turret number '21' is consistent with 'A' Squadron, and would make this tank part of 2 Troop 'A' Sqn 1 Lothians.

Other markings are not readable but could include the AoS number '52', the tank name and T-number, plus maybe some loading code:

The name of the tank should be one of these four, since No.20 was RHODERICK DHU T212645, see http://proxy.handle.net/10648/ac053d...8-003048976d84

ROB ROY
RED DOUGLAS
RED COMYN
RED TOD

Hello Michel,

As I saw you reference to a Sherman Crab named "ROB ROY", I attched a picture of "ROB ROY IV" taken during a demonstration in the Netherlands shortly after WW2:

gahetna.nl_344024_022_Sherman Crab_Rob Roy IV.jpg

Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/5a4e3b...1-46ae0266c1e9

[Bob Carriere]

...Rototille the garden!!!!!!!

[MicS]

What exactly would be the name / official designation for this cage-shaped thing carried by the lads on the first photo below,
used as "crib grillage" for basing Bailey Bridges,
and apparently pretty standard given the numbers used in the second photo (Monty's Bridge in Caen):

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/at...1&d=1533069019

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/at...1&d=1533068651

Source: http://sgmcaen.free.fr/les-ponts.htm and https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_...1&text=p010415

Michel

[MicS]

as often, in thinkdefence.co.uk:

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/...ging-supports/

So these are "Christchurch Crib bridging supports" or simply "Christchurch Cribs"

More on this page (search for 'Christchurch'):
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/...tion-bridging/

where we (or at least, I ) learn that its offical name is "Bridging Crib 20 ton"

Michel

[Alex van de Wetering]

While looking for info on British and Canadian Pontoons, I noticed IWM has quite a selection of pictures.....I don't know if these are recently added to the site, or if I just missed them before, but I am attaching a few.

source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search

I am specifically looking for measurements and/or scale plans of MkV and MkVI pontoons.....or any info on possible survivors. If anyone knows of any drawings, please let me know. Post-war nato pontoons seem to be a dime a dozen here, but I can't remember seeing any WW2 Commonwealth pontoons.

[MicS]

Hello Les,

As ever looking for more Crab pictures, I stumbled upon what is certainly a large scan of yours here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/6738464...n/photostream/

Here's an extract that shows that with a very high probability it must have been named RED COMYN, as the other three possible names (ROB ROY, RED DOUGLAS and RED TOD) do not fit, wheras the first letter after what does resemble the word 'RED' looks very much like a 'C', and the length and shape of the second word look just about right for 'COMYN':



There is however a measure of doubt remaining, as 1 Lothians tank names were normally painted (red with a white shadowing) on the hull sides, but there seems to have been exceptions such as (possibly) 'COEUR DE LION', painted on the flail jibs because the various stowage items would have obscured them if painted on the hull.

The Arm of Service number 52 (white over red square) is clearly recognizable on the front of the jib (with the yellow circle of the bridging class below), and can be guessed on its other customary location in 1 Lothians on the top right corner of the hull front plate.

Crossing a Bailey bridge with a Crab was visibly a precision job, with a very watchful crew member each side assisting the driver, and the other two guys seemingly enjoying the view but probably ready to jump off any moment!

Many thanks for this hi res scan, which brings one more match between tank number and tank name in one of my favourite units!

Michel

[MicS]

I came across this photo at Belgian image bank Pallas Cegesoma (http://pallas.cegesoma.be/pls/opac/p...neral/opac.htm). Link to the photo:
http://pallas.cegesoma.be/pls/opac/o...&rqdb=1&dbnu=1

I include the photo here as well in case the above link becomes obsolete:



From the caption it looks like it's part of the Canadian collection.

I wonder if the "thing" in the water to the right of the bridge (top right of photo) might be the remnant of one of the destroyed bridge piles? It is visible on some of the other photos as well.

Michel

[Lang]

I just got back from driving through NE India. Went up from Imphal to the Burma border. The crossing between India and Burma/Myanmar is a serious Bailey bridge - a triple triple (three wide by three high). Although span has a lot to do with the bridge composition this is not particularly long and I think it could carry just about any modern day heavy truck.