fuel tank, selector valve and remote for MKII Carrier

[Robert Bergeron]

Friends, i have embarked on the journey of adding a fuel tank and other accessories to an already very complete and excellent running( Thanks to Perry Kitson) MKII* Canadian Carrier .This thread will document it and allow me to ask questions to those more familiar . I prepared myself by reading other members posts on the subject , especially one by our friend Michael R . So here we go : I started with a fuel selector valve bought from LWD in Holland . It arrived super fast .

[Robert Bergeron]

This is the handle inside the front operating the rod that moves the fuel tank selector valve in the engine compartment . I think it’s the wrong way wich would explain why i can’t turn it . Immediately to the right is the starting handle and to the left, the gunner’s seat frame .

[Robert Bergeron]

This is what the handle attaches to. At the other end of the rod is an arm that connects to the selector valve handle . The whole unit is quite long as it travels from the driving compartment through the division plate all the way back to the rear armour plate . It runs along the floor plate , goes under the radiator, the floor of the engine compartment right to the rear plate . I sourced this rare , hard to find and original part from Super Dave in Edmonton. I was there for an exercise in early 2016 and met with Dave and Reg Hodgson . At the time Dave was working on his very nice MK I Carrier and he had leftover MKII specific parts. He also contributed a whole set of MKII engine compartment doors in fine condition . Thank-you Dave !

[Robert Bergeron]

The rod runs through two angle brackets that are bolted to the floor in the engine compartment . We see here the first angled bracket to the left . It is a difficult job to run the rod through the very small hole on the bottom of the division plate . It took me almost 2 hours with rest periods in between. It is a hard to reach area under the radiator and engine and you have to play contortionist and twist yourself backwards.

[Robert Bergeron]

At the end of the rod is the fork that operates the selector handle. Here we clearly see the second angled bracket that is bolted to the floor. I am very lucky that these were already installed . They would of been a pain to install.

[Robert Bergeron]

Here i turned the handle around. Nice fit ! Q : were there any markings ie -left - right - on -off ? Is there an OFF ( no fuel position or cutoff ? ) ? .

[David Herbert]

Try putting the valve in the mid position. I would expect that you would not be able to blow through it through any of the pipe connections. That would tell you where the 'OFF' position is. If there is no off position, the mid position must open the two inlets to each other so allowing the flow of fuel to equalize. I doubt that this would be desirable so I expect that there is an 'OFF' position midway between 'L' and'R'.

David

[Robert Bergeron]

Thank you very much David . My valve is at the shop right now but when i get it back i will check the points you are raising . The welder is cutting up , folding and assembling the bracket for the valve . Meanwhile , could someone tell me how to install the radiator overflow can please ? Here are the pictures . I have the standard Ford can from a F-15 truck . I can’t figure out where the brackets should be bolted . Thanks . PS : Still winter here , it snowed today. The deer and wild Turkey are very keen for the corn i leave outside the Carrier shed !

[rob love]

It seems to me that the valves draw from left, both, or right. Running out of fuel half way through the mission and having to prime all over again, or leaving 2 gallons on the bottom of a tank, are not desirable either. Drawing from both simultaneously, if properly vented and the pickup screens aren't blocked, should draw evenly. I am pretty sure it's how a mk1 carrier is plumbed, and I can't fathom why a mk2 would be different.

[Lynn Eades]

The 3 position valves are: left-both-right. (or for the other hemishere, right- both-left) As I recall from a manual or hand book, it was frowned upon to use the both position.

[Robert Bergeron]

Left-both-right or right- both -left depending on the hemisphere. Thanks David , Rob and Lynn. Makes quite a lot of sense . In aviation, they have both systems : 1- Left-both-right -off 2- Left-Right-Off. I have seen and met many pilots running out of gas and have an engine quit and force land with a full tank after forgetting to switch tanks with the second system . Now some planes are very sensitive to weight imbalance in the wing tanks and it makes sense to burn the fuel alternatively from one tank to the other but in a Carrier ? I would leave it on both and measure the tanks with the level stick once a day . Now what about the overflow can ? I know it goes under the crew seat in the rear compartment right behind the gunner’s seat because i read all the posts on the subject. But how is the can bolted down ? Anybody know the answer ? Many thanks . Cheers , Bob

[Ron Pier]

I also installed a new change over valve from LWD. Fortunately for me, the whole rod and lever were still in place. My overflow tank rotted out, so I had a new one copied in Stainless steel, But I've forgotten how it is fixed. I can't find a picture on file. I'll take a reminder look later but probably Michael R will have a drawing......I haven't found one in my manuals yet. Ron

[Michael R.]

Your radiator recovery- overflow can is the correct overall size, however; it is not the correct mounting bracket for the carrier installation. I believe there are some plumbing attachment considerations to be repositioned as well. I will look for some images to clarify.

[RichardT10829]

need one of those cans for my Mk2 too. if I had a pattern I could make many

[Robert Bergeron]

Thanks Ron, Michael and Richard. I found the holes in the division plate for the special brackets . Michael provided nice details on the mounting of the MKII specific can . It is very similar to the standard Ford CMP overflow can but with different attachment points and bracket. Mine is a standard Ford can so i will have to work on it to make it fit but with the info provided again by Michael it will be relatively easy. Richie , maybe Ron could provide you with access to his «* can*» ? Can he ? Cheers. Bob. UPDATE : Epay just notified me that the MKII Carrier fuel tank i bought from a nice gentleman Carrier restorer in Arizona was delivered to my brother in law in New England USA. I guess i am going on a roadtrip to Maine soon ... well as soon as i am on leave ! Can’t wait to see my tank - her , i mean my brother in law !

[Robert Bergeron]

Hi , got my bracket back from the welder/ fabricator . Primed and painted . Found proper lenght temporary bolts. Found proper temporary brass fittings . Located the holes in the back plate . Drilled the holes in the newly made bracket . Installed same with valve . Connected selector arm with temporary wire to valve handle . Tested the selector handle in the driver compartment and the valve handle moves up and down ( last 2 pictures ) ! Victory . This one is for you Stephan Leegwater ! Q : What kinda bolt , sleeve or whatever should i use to connect the arm coming from the bottom of the Carrier to the valve handle. I have a picture from the parts manuel but it’s so small that i can’t make it out . ANSWER FOUND : A Clevis pin and cotter pin . Thanks Michael R

[Robert Bergeron]

The valve bracket install went so well i had time left before roll call . I decided to install a few Xmas tree lights ( radio equipment ) to spruce up the Carrier . First i installed the «* B*» set antennae base .

Like you suggested David , i raise the guard over the top of the rubber isolator. Voilà ! Then i installed the «* A*» set antenna base No 8 on the No 3 wooden mounting . Bolted everything to the dedicated bracket over the radiator just behind the front divisional plate. I then installed the «* rabbit ears*» adapter and two aerials. Now i have a «*V*» for victory «* A*» set pair of aerials on the Carrier . Sometime in the near future i will be installing a working No 19 set . This one is for you Jon S. Good night . The Canadiens will win tonight.. PS : they did and 5-1 .

[Michael R.]

Be aware there were minor updates made to the C31UCW series carriers with respect to the remote fuel selector. Those updates are not included in Illustration #38 of page 200 in the parts manual FUC-03. A spring and supporting clip were made specially for this carrier, and assigned C31UCW part numbers. The parts name and numbers appear on page 214.

The clevis pin and associated cotter pin that connects the lever to the remote control valve arm had a spring and clip added. The tip of the spring replaced the cotter pin.

[kevin powles]

Hi Bob, Nice Carrier.

[Robert Bergeron]

Hi Kevin ,thanks , nice to meet you. Bob

[super dave]

Originally Posted by Robert Bergeron

Thank you very much David . My valve is at the shop right now but when i get it back i will check the points you are raising . The welder is cutting up , folding and assembling the bracket for the valve . Meanwhile , could someone tell me how to install the radiator overflow can please ? Here are the pictures . I have the standard Ford can from a F-15 truck . I can’t figure out where the brackets should be bolted . Thanks . PS : Still winter here , it snowed today. The deer and wild Turkey are very keen for the corn i leave outside the Carrier shed !

Just seen this and I have a picture of a MK11 overflow can and looks like the mount goes at the bottom and attaches to the bulkhead.

[Lynn Eades]

I have questions:
Is the tank the same profile as a CMP fuel tank?
Does it have filler cap or breather at the top?Does the fitting we see have a tube to the top of the tank on the inside? How is it hooked up / How does it work?

[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

I have questions:
Is the tank the same profile as a CMP fuel tank?
Does it have filler cap or breather at the top?Does the fitting we see have a tube to the top of the tank on the inside? How is it hooked up / How does it work?

There are three models of the overflow and condenser cans produced by Ford Canada for their specific universal carrier models, C01UC, C21UCM, and C31UCW. The condenser can was introduced after the C21UCG model. The condenser cans replaced the copper radiator overflow pipe.

There are examples of a standard 2 gallon POL can converted for use as a condenser can found on some C01UC carriers.

The main difference in the three Ford production condenser cans is their method of mounting, and the necessary change in location of the relief and overflow valves. The condensers started at serial # 12106 when specified on MK-I* carriers; at serial # 14905 on UC-2 mortar carriers, then the entire production of the C31UCW models.

The tank is the same profile as the CMP condenser can, however I am not able to tell you how that compares with the CMP fuel tank.

No tubes exist inside the can.

Hook up and function is through an input-output elbow located on the bottom using the vacuum method. There is a single relief valve on the top. On the C31UCW models, a copper line runs from a connector elbow (CTL 7119, see page 124 of FUC-03) inside the engine cover frame, traveling inside the radiator blanking plate.

[Robert Bergeron]

I am proud to report that i am now the owner of a two rear view mirror Carrier. My Carrier shed door frames have suffered enough ! Now i need to learn to post pictures right side up !

[Robert Bergeron]

Let’s try this now . Mirrors .

[Michael R.]

. . . you appear to be having far too much fun for one person, M. Rowber...

[Lynn Eades]

Robert, you did post your first picture "right side up"
Btw, I thought it was interesting how you've mounted the mirror to the arm.

[Robert Bergeron]

Hiya Lynn. Could you post a picture of the way you guys mount the mirrors please? It’s the first time i handle and see these original British WD mirrors and they did’nt come with instructions....The mirrors i got from Grant in Victoria BC when i was working there last year.Thanks .

[Ron Pier]

Here's mine. Did they ever fit one on the left side as standard?... But then I did fit two to my Willys Jeep. I'm also very close to the shed door frame when backing out.......Artistic licence don't you know! Ron

[rob love]

Your mirror arms are incorrect which is where the confusion starts. It looks like you have chevy or else post war M-series arms. They should just be roundstock welded to a flat piece bolted to the hull.