Vehicles used by Dutch Prinses Irene Brigade

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

If it does show the Prinses Irene Brigade coming ashore, it would mean they had Bedford MW's on strength. As far as I know the Brigade was equipped with Fordson 15-cwt trucks. Do you know if they had Bedford 15-cwt trucks also?

Though not reflecting the 1944 situation, the Dutch National Archives have a list of the present used in 1943 (Opgave Auto- en Motormaterieel, 26 Maart 1943).

The following 15 cwt vehicle types are listed:
- truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford
- Fordson 15 cwt;
- Morris 15 cwt office;
- Bedford 15 cwt.

[Bill Murray]

My eyes are not improving with age, but is that not a Dodge, maybe a D30 behind the Bedford?
Bill

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Bill Murray

My eyes are not improving with age, but is that not a Dodge, maybe a D30 behind the Bedford?

Still not too bad, Bill. A Dodge indeed, I'd say a D60L 3-tonner.

H.

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Still not too bad, Bill. A Dodge indeed, I'd say a D60L 3-tonner.

The archive document I mentioned before lists Dodge 3 ton trucks as well.

Some photos:
http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/
http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

@Hanno: the vehicle list contains the types of vehicles, including census number, chassis number and allocation.
Also lists of ex-Dutch vehicles are available in the archives.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

@Hanno: the vehicle list contains the types of vehicles, including census number, chassis number and allocation.
Also lists of ex-Dutch vehicles are available in the archives.

Rogier,

Do you have access to this information? If so, would you be willing to share this with us? If not, do you have the archive record number?

Thanks!
Hanno

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Rogier,

Do you have access to this information? If so, would you be willing to share this with us? If not, do you have the archive record number?

I did make some notes, but I did not write all census numbers down. I will present the information I have at hand and will include references to the files in the archives.

In the beforementioned 'opgave auto- en motormaterieel' (Nationaal Archief Toegangsnummer 2.13.71 - Inv.No. 855) the following vehicle types are mentioned (dated 26 March 1943):
- Humber C1.I truck
- Leyland
- F.A. Guy tractor
- Humber utility command car
- 3" mortar carrier
- carrier OP Mk.III
- truck 15 cwt 4x2 GS Ford
- lorry 30 cwt 4x2 GS Ford
- lorry 4x2 anti-tank portee Chevrolet
- lorry 3-T 4x4 Troop carrier Bedford D
- trailer 15 cwt
- car 2-str 4x2 utility Austin
- BSA 500 cc solo class I
- ambulance 4 str 4x2 Austin
- Humber Pullman
- Austin Ten
- Bedford 3 ton
- Ford 4/6 ton
- Ford Utility WOA2
- Dodge 3 ton
- Austin 3 ton
- GMC GS-truck 30 cwt
- Fordson 15 cwt
- BSA 500 cc S/V
- Norton S/V contr 7363 244 cc
- Morris 15 cwt office
- Bedford 15 cwt
- Morris 8 cwt 5 str
- Austin Utility 4 str
- Austin Ten util
- Austrin 30 cwt

ex-Dutch vehicles will follow.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

I did make some notes, but I did not write all census numbers down. I will present the information I have at hand and will include references to the files in the archives.

In the beforementioned 'opgave auto- en motormaterieel' (Nationaal Archief Toegangsnummer 2.13.71 - Inv.No. 855) the following vehicle types are mentioned (dated 26 March 1943):

Thank you, Rogier! What an astounding hodge-podge of vehicles. . .

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

In the beforementioned 'opgave auto- en motormaterieel' (Nationaal Archief Toegangsnummer 2.13.71 - Inv.No. 855) the following vehicle types are mentioned (dated 26 March 1943):
- Ford 4/6 ton

What type of vehicle could this be? Ford 60-cwt?

Image number: 73461
Collection: Nederlands Instituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie
Caption: Den Haag. In de binnenstad.
Keywords: Civilian Population;Canadian Armed Forces;Dutch Armed Forces;Princess Irene Brigade

73461-hi.jpg

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Rogier,

I went through your list of vehicles, but cannot see the Standard Utility Truck listed, only Austin Utility Trucks.

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

In the beforementioned 'opgave auto- en motormaterieel' (Nationaal Archief Toegangsnummer 2.13.71 - Inv.No. 855) the following vehicle types are mentioned (dated 26 March 1943):

- car 2-str 4x2 utility Austin

- Austin Utility 4 str

- Austin Ten util

Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

The archive document I mentioned before lists Dodge 3 ton trucks as well.

Here's one being (un)loaded. Source: beeldbankwo2.nl:

Image number: 8728
Collection: Nederlands Instituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie
Caption: Dutch forces in Normandy. A Dutch lorry being loaded on to a landing craft.
Image Date Period: augustus 1944

8728-hi.jpg

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Though not reflecting the 1944 situation, the Dutch National Archives have a list of the present used in 1943 (Opgave Auto- en Motormaterieel, 26 Maart 1943).

The following 15 cwt vehicle types are listed:
- truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford
- Fordson 15 cwt;
- Morris 15 cwt office;
- Bedford 15 cwt.

Great info Rogier, thanks!

Is the "truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford" a CMP?

Any more vehicular info available at the Archives?

Regards,
Hanno

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Is the "truck 15 cwt, 4x2 GS Ford" a CMP?

I don't know.

Could this be another of the 15 cwt Ford GS trucks, judging from the (partially visible) census number: http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

If so, it may be this vehicle (note the cyclist and the trailer behind the truck): http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

Any thoughts?

[Alex van de Wetering]

Any thoughts?

Indeed, the trucks in both pictures seem to be one and the same; there is a jerrycan just behind the cab which can be seen in both pictures. Clearly a Fordson, with a German (?) trailer on tow (Flak trailer with kastenaufbau?)

Great info, Rogier!

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

Could this be another of the 15 cwt Ford GS trucks, judging from the (partially visible) census number: http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

If so, it may be this vehicle (note the cyclist and the trailer behind the truck): http://www.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/c...elf,1/lang,nl/

Rogier,

As pointed out by you and Alex, these pictures feature a Fordson WOT2 15-cwt truck. The first picture shows a Fordson with a census number Z4846x87, one which falls in the range Z4844001 - Z4847000 quoted by Rich. As these were allocated to "Ford - Truck 15cwt 4x2 G/S" trucks, could be the case that the "Ford" and "Fordson" trucks in your list of 15-cwt vehicle types were both Fordson WOT2's?

Thanks,
Hanno

[Rogier Peeters]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

As pointed out by you and Alex, these pictures feature a Fordson WOT2 15-cwt truck. The first picture shows a Fordson with a census number Z4846x87, one which falls in the range Z4844001 - Z4847000 quoted by Rich. As these were allocated to "Ford - Truck 15cwt 4x2 G/S" trucks, could be the case that the "Ford" and "Fordson" trucks in your list of 15-cwt vehicle types were both Fordson WOT2's?

Thank you for the clarification. Regarding your question, it would be interesting to compare the census numbers (which I don't have at hand at the moment) in the archive files with the other information known.
I'll leave that as an interesting little thing for one of my future visits.

[Rogier Peeters]

For the ex-Dutch vehicles see the attached notes. I hope my writing is readable.
These data are from another file, Nationaal Archief 2.13.71 - Inv.No. 814.

Contents:
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- trucks: make - engine power - Dutch registration number - new registration number - engine number - load capacity

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- one truck
- pag-trekkers: make - Dutch registration number - engine number
- some (not all) motorcycles with engine numbers
- cars: type - engine power - Dutch number - engine number - number of seats

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- four cars
- buses: type - engine power - Durch number - engine number - number of seats

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Rogier Peeters

For the ex-Dutch vehicles see the attached notes. I hope my writing is readable.

And thanks again!!!
I am surprised they managed to ship so many vehicles over to the UK. Did these all come through Dunkirk, Brest etc.? Or were vehicles shipped over from The Netherlands directly?

Thanks,
Hanno