Balkans Campaign: CMPs in Greece?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

If anyone can confirm that there were CMP lorries...30-cwt and 3-ton in Greece then I'll check my stats. again and give you my reasoned opinions.

In the thread Under New Management I posted a picture of a F30(?) 30-cwt truck:



Now - but this is pure conjecture - Crete is where the Commonwealth units went after being thrown out of Greece. Questions remain a) how much if any trucks were shipped back from mainland Greece to Crete, b) whether or not this truck ever left Crete for mainland Greece before being captured. Not the type of information to submit as proof, but. . .

H.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thanks Shane! He can't log in so sent me the file which I converted to text and attached it here. You will note the WD vehicles:

WD Vehicles
Canadian CVT 3-ton 33
Canadian Ford 15 cwt 76
Canadian Ford 30 cwt 1

I believe that the latter two are to S/M 2002 and 2003 respectively, from Ford F15s and F30s assembled in Alexandria sent direct from Canada. The Chevrolet 3-tonners could be either CC60L/X2 4x2s from S/M 2005 (3150 sent to Egypt) or the WAs, say under V.3352 assembled and supplied in Alexandria.

Oh Hanno! S/M 2003 comprised Ford F30s for Egypt and the rest C30s for England. Assuming no alterations on delivery, which is I think practically zero chance, some were sent to the Mid-East after assembly here and then issued to the AIF et al as L 4449560 survives. Whether any arrived in sufficient time to be sent to Greece is doubtful. Earliest British-order Chevrolet assembly I can date to April 1941 and I suggest that any then shipped out to the Mid-East could not have arrived until well after that.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

Thanks Shane! He can't log in so sent me the file which I converted to text and attached it here.

Thanks! Shane, I've e-mailed you re. your login problems.

Earliest British-order Chevrolet assembly I can date to April 1941 and I suggest that any then shipped out to the Mid-East could not have arrived until well after that.

So based on this information we could conclude the AIF did not bring Chevrolet CMP trucks to Greece, right?

H.

[cliff]

WD Vehicles
Canadian CVT 3-ton 33

What does the "CVT" stand for?

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

CheVroleT.

Hanno, the AIF could only have had CMPs that had been assembled in Alexandria from say January 1941. I cannot see that they brought any with them ifrom England in December '40 except for those sold to the British by the Canadians after assembly and then issued to the AIF (which is believed to have been the case but I have no definitve proof). There was I think at this stage no time for British-order trucks to have been assembled and shipped out with the AIF/NZEF to the Mid-East from England. It would appear that the vehicles shipped on to the Balkans must have been darn nearly brand new! The Germans had nice new, just run-in vehicles as a consquence I thought!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Pair of F15´s, captured in Balkans, Greece, April 1941.



Source: Category:Images from the German Federal Archive, year 1941 - Wikimedia Commons.

Titel: Griechenland, britischer LKW
Zusatz: Balkan, Griechenland.- Soldat der Waffen-SS auf Motorhaube eines zerstörten englischen LKW; PK 690
Source Deutsches Bundesarchiv (German Federal Archive), Bild 101I-161-0317-10
Date 1941-04

[jim sewell]

The F15 did belong to the Aust 6th Div ( kangaroo over the boomerang ) not sure what the D2 means .
I bet the soldier carrying out the repairs is cursing these english trucks , not much room to work in there.
Regards
Jim S.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

And in the background, another pair of captured CMPs; Greece, May 1941.



Source: Category:Images from the German Federal Archive, location Griechenland.

Titel: Griechenland, Nauplion, Englische Kriegsgefangene
Beschreibung: Südost-Front:
Gefangene Engländer in dem durch Fallschirmjäger notdürftig eingerichteten Gefangenlager in Nauplion.
BS-PK Roth
5440-41 "Fr.OLF" Mai 1941

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another 30-cwt CMP truck captured at Crete on Ebay:
2.WK Fotoalbum Gebirgsjager im Kreta !!! mit Falschirmjager Top !!! Artikelnummer: 190280629520

[Haridimos]

A post War photo: A team from the Int. Red Cross provide medical care to children, in an unknown village. Winter 1946.

CMP_C30_Int_ RED_CROSS_ 1946.jpg

It's interesting to find out the type of the vehicle's body.

I think we have a C30 here. Trying a quick search, I didn't manage to find a similar..

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Haridimos

A post War photo: A team from the Int. Red Cross provide medical care to children, in an unknown village. Winter 1946.

Attachment 39038

It's interesting to find out the type of the vehicle's body.

I think we have a C30 here. Trying a quick search, I didn't manage to find a similar..

Hi

For some reason this type of picture link will not open on my computer, get a problem loading error message, is anyone else having the same problem? Has anybody found the work around?

Hate missing out on interesting images.

Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Now - but this is pure conjecture - Crete is where the Commonwealth units went after being thrown out of Greece. Questions remain a) how much if any trucks were shipped back from mainland Greece to Crete, b) whether or not this truck ever left Crete for mainland Greece before being captured. Not the type of information to submit as proof, but. . .

From the thread In the background another clue for the types of CMP in use there and then:

Originally Posted by Rich Payne

...but not the main subject I suspect. From a current listing on ebay.de and captioned as Crete.

eBay 160250248326

Looks like another F30. No idea what the marking on the right side wing means.

H.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Nice photo.