Canadian M151A2's ...... ??

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball

Just out of curiosity, what are the differences between Canuckistani MUTTs and Murricun MUTTs? Idle curiosity only - I've only owned M-series jeeps as well as a CJ, two Canadian-made YJs and (presently) a TJ. I like the look of MUTTs though.

We have that in common. Although i've only ever owned one other MV besides an M151A2, I am/was a Jeep fanatic having owned at one time or another an example of nearly every SWB Jeep made after 1967. I sold my TJ shod with 40" Rubber and 1 Ton Ford Axles as I never had time to get it on the trails, and it was catching many stares from the Police

The differences between the US Army/US Air Force and Cdn M151A2s all stem from the Mods that were completed during service, as they all came off of the same assembly line in no particular order. The USMC M151A2 have some minor differences from the others consisting of a long Front Bumper with Lifting Tabs the lack of Lifting Tabs on the Wheel Hubs and most had Fording Kits.

The biggest external visual differences are:

Paint Scheme,
Grill Guard made from Expanded Metal,
Mirrors mounted on both Front Fenders,
Spare Tire/Antenna Base Bracket (has the Spare Tire mounted in reverse to US models),
CFR/Licence Plate Mounting Tabs welded to Left Bumperette and sometimes the Front Bumper, and
Some Antenna AMU were mounted directly to the Rear Top corners of the ROPS (US used Corner Mounts with extensions and Sugar Scoops).

More detailed differences are (depending on how stripped the M151A2 is, these will only be spotted by the holes left behind):

With the ROPS installed, the Weight and Dimension Plate is cut in Half and riveted to the Windshield Frame above the Passenger Grab Handle (US is most often riveted complete behind Passenger Grab Handle),
Ansul Fire Extinguisher mounted on Transmission Tunnel Cover (US is behind the Driver Seat on side of Wheelhouse),
Although both used the VRC-12 Comms Systems during that era, US and CDN mounting systems for the MT-1029 and Antenna AMU are completely different and CDN Comms installs used C2299 Boxes on Passenger side Wheelhouse, and L Shaped Brackets on the Front Corners of the Wheelhouses. The IKEE (Radio Power Supply) were bolted to these,
ROPS and Mounts/Feet are completely different, and when installed CDN did not use Top Bows, had 3 Point Seat Belts, and the US moved the Light Switch closer to the Steering Column,
CDN SMG Mount sometimes found on the Windshield Frame between the Defroster Louvres,
CDN Doors used non-folding Frames and had modified inside Handles to secure to the ROPS Cage rather than Top Rods,
Both the Upper and Lower Door Pin Mounting Tabs are different.
There is also the Decals.

This is by no means comprehensive. The actual lists of US and CDN MWOs will identify a few others, but these are the visual differences that can be picked out at a glance, even if its just the location of bolt holes.

Scotty

[BCBlitz]

Hi All

Thanks for the help ......... WOW just ask and thou shall recieve around here

Well sounds like if you were to have one guess you should enjoy it for what it is, a cut up refabbed piece of history to save and enjoy just like all the other MV out there, kinda funny how the CDN military does not want this kind of stuff in private hands, heck it took our ( taxpayers ) dollars to buy it all for crazy prices in the first place, guess its all about liability .

Im waiting to see how they are going to handle the disposal of the CDN Deuce truck here in the next few years after they get the new binders to replace them, would be a shame to not be able to aquire them should be an interesting read.

Thanks all .....

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by BCBlitz

Hi All

Thanks for the help ......... WOW just ask and thou shall recieve around here

Well sounds like if you were to have one guess you should enjoy it for what it is, a cut up refabbed piece of history to save and enjoy just like all the other MV out there, kinda funny how the CDN military does not want this kind of stuff in private hands, heck it took our ( taxpayers ) dollars to buy it all for crazy prices in the first place, guess its all about liability .

Im waiting to see how they are going to handle the disposal of the CDN Deuce truck here in the next few years after they get the new binders to replace them, would be a shame to not be able to aquire them should be an interesting read.

Thanks all .....

There was an interesting article in I believe it was the Ottawa Sun (available online) where a collector had actually wrote the Defence Minister as to why his MLVW was sold as "residue", therfor not allowing him to title it. May have even been posted on this Forum for that matter. The long and short of it is, they are not being sold with a Title for use on the Road.

Anyway, there have been quite a few discussions as to why they should or shouldn't be sold for legal legit use on the road. The big highlight that seems to tweek my memory was the unconventional Air Over Hydraulic Brake System on the Truck that when they fail, there is no reliable back-up system. Not sure if that is the actual "policy" or just urban legend. Either way, most that have been sold so far seem to be showing up without Starters. Although the Engines are not uncommon in commercial vehicles, the 24v Starter may require some digging around.

Crying shame really. There are some really nice specimens floating around out there, low milage etc. Then there are the others Ontario and further East that you will put your foot through the Fender trying to check the Fluids

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Thanks for that, I had no idea there were that many differences! It's interesting, probably because virtually the only time one sees them up here is on TV, depicting Viet Nam use.

Ref your TJ, mine is set up pretty well methinks. I have a 2-inch suspension lift, deep-dish 15" wheels running 32-1150 x 15 Goodyears on Dana 4.10 axles, together with a Warn 8000x winch on front. I also have gas and water cans mounted ahead of the doors. Despite the paint job, we DON'T attract overt attention by the local constabulary, which is always good... I think my set-up is ideal for regular use and especially in winter when things get messy. I have to admit I haven't used it offroad yet, but my '92 YJ was set up somewhat the same (albeit with 31-1050s) and it worked like a charm. I AM curious as to how my coil-spring suspension will compare with the old leaf springs I know too well, though...

BTW, I have a full OD softtop for it, but DO need to find a set of half-doors for next summer...

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball

Ref your TJ, mine is set up pretty well methinks. I have a 2-inch suspension lift, deep-dish 15" wheels running 32-1150 x 15 Goodyears on Dana 4.10 axles, together with a Warn 8000x winch on front. I also have gas and water cans mounted ahead of the doors. Despite the paint job, we DON'T attract overt attention by the local constabulary, which is always good... I think my set-up is ideal for regular use and especially in winter when things get messy. I have to admit I haven't used it offroad yet, but my '92 YJ was set up somewhat the same (albeit with 31-1050s) and it worked like a charm. I AM curious as to how my coil-spring suspension will compare with the old leaf springs I know too well, though...

BTW, I have a full OD softtop for it, but DO need to find a set of half-doors for next summer...

I had the most fun with my TJ when it resembled (Size-wise) what your running, things went crazy soon after that. To do it all over again, I would keep it small and wheel the hell out of it. I was quite active with the local Jeep Clubs at most of the places i've been posted over the years. Here are a few snaps of my TJ. It started life as a 97 TJ Sahara I bought new in 1997. By the end just before I sold it the only things remaining from the actual TJ I originally bought was the Frame and Grill. Reality for me was, even though MVs are addictive, building a Rig for Rockcrawling was like very advanced Crack Cocaine habit. I was averaging 20 hours of actual trail time for every couple of thousand spent on Mods. Unline MV's where we are struggling to get every original detail correct, in Rockcrawling it was all about the new advanced Tires, Shocks, Diff Locks etc etc. I started to realize the need to wrench on a vehicle was more satisfying than actually wheeling my Jeep. I bit the bullet and sold my TJ and bought my M151A2 projects. Probably the best move I ever made. A new set of 40" Rubber on my TJ cost more than an entire M151A2

Cir 2001 in Gagetown: (No comments about the tires please )


Cir 2005 in Petawawa:


Cir 2008 in Trenton right before I sold it




Sorry for the Hijack....

[WayneR]

As a retired tanker from the West I just have to ask about the funny looking plate you have on the front. Doesn't "Ubique" translate into RUN!!!

Just Kidding!! As for the MUTTs we only had I believe 5 (OC of each squadron and the CO's rover) in our Regiment and the rest were all M38. When the got rid of them they just disappeared off the base when the Iltis appeared. A shame, they made good bush buggies.

The word we got about the MLVW was that they stopped being road worthy due to the air over hydraulic brakes as well as they found excessive rust inside the split rims. We were told that we could still use them but were not allowed to carry troops in them any longer.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Wayne

[servicepub (RIP)]

Service Publications would be interested in publishing a "Weapons of War" title on the Canadia M151 (http://www.servicepub.com/weapons.html)
If interested in writing 6,000-6,500 words on the acquisition, use, variants and disposal of this vehicle please let me know via PM.
Thnx,
Clive

[BCBlitz]

well this is quite the bunch of answers to the MUTT question, thanks all.

so where can a person find new sheetmetal for them or is there even any ?
for floors, side panels, rear corners etc etc ?, or is it owner fab ??

So from what I read there are not too many cut or uncut ones around that are OEM Canada ?, so maybe this is something a fellow should grab should a person find one ? as not like they are gonna make any more eh ?

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by WayneR

As a retired tanker from the West I just have to ask about the funny looking plate you have on the front. Doesn't "Ubique" translate into RUN!!!

Wayne

Hi Wayne. Just noticed the "UBIQUE" remark

RUN is the correct translation when used in conjunction with the Artillery version of the same word. It's been said that when it comes to Sappers, "UBIQUE" means "Everywhere" and with Artillery it means "All over the place"

Scotty