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19-12-10, 04:16
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Ugly orphan....
Jim..... Congratulations......
...... you took an ugly orphan that no one would touch in Canada and you turned it into a jewel that a lot of us would love to own..... you are a tribute to the CMP hobby and a tribute to what MLU stands for...... .... a lot of us followed attentively as you progressed in your restoration and learned from your experience....... that's what it is all about !!!!!! Bob C.
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20-12-10, 22:35
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Pete,
It's definitely an interesting discussion, and nobody is really wrong, no matter their opinions on it. I personally believe there's room for both showroom/garage queens with immaculate paintjobs and matching serial numbers all around, and for kitbashed restorations with new engines and modern tires and such. I'm not all that concerned about the monetary value here. I'm looking at taking some relatively cheap CMPs that are already missing several parts sitting in a field and trying to breathe some life back into them. Here's what I may be working with, if everything falls into place for the new year:   The thing is, while I'm definitely not bad with a ratchet set and an airbrush, I'm not a professional. Not even close. I don't even work with cars for a living, I fix computers. I'm doing this for the experience and the shot at getting a piece of history rolling again. I couldn't build a museum-quality replica even if I wanted, especially not with a pair of CMPs with no beds and engines of questionable quality. But there are already plenty that HAVE been preserved-and I'm doing these a lot more justice getting them back on the road with different engines and modern tires and such then letting them rust into scrap or letting them get carted off to the scrapyard where they'll be crush and sent to China and melted down to make Buicks.  I'm not doing this for the show aspect so much-the closest one to me would be the Edmonton or Vancouver shows, and I don't own a vehicle that could tow one down there anyways. Plus, I have a natural disinterest in 'trailer queens'-these things were meant to run. Since I'm looking at picking up two that are, at least mechanically, intact, I may try out both routes-take the one in worst shape, put in a slighty newer engine and whatnot and try it at modern speeds, and try and keep the better one closer to factory specs.
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21-12-10, 05:59
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Hi Don,
If you are hell-bent on making a CMP run on modern components, then so be it. Factors to consider are width and compatability: The width of CMP trucks is narrow compared to trucks of today's standards. This translates from axle width down to spring mount width, which then becomes a real problem. Take a tape measure to a modern truck running gear and compare it to a CMP and tell us what you find and what you think will fit.... Compatability-wise, nothing will fit past the mid 1960's that I have found. Talking about GM products here only as I don't know squat about Fords... Here to help and not to hinder... Thanks, David Last edited by David DeWeese; 21-12-10 at 06:18. Reason: added BS
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21-12-10, 06:16
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Hey Don
I am in the same boat as you, I am a computer guy for 10 years now, I have 2 CMP's that I want to restore to showroom condition and then take them out for a ride. I also can handle a ratchet and other tools however a welder is going to be interesting. I think a lot of guys here are trying to tell you that these trucks were made for offroad and not speed so the upgrades are thinking of making could be problamatic for you. If you do get the upgrades in and the truck runs for you then I think that is great, as you say another truck saved from the wrecker and the rust, I personally would rather see the truck running than rusting or flattened. Good luck on your restoration and remember to post plenty of pics as we all would like to see the progress even if some are against your plans. If you need any pams or whatnot let me know. Gary
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21-12-10, 21:19
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stovebolt, I'll look them up, thanks!
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21-12-10, 17:37
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Don..
You can basically do what you want and I have been around these things for 600 years and have always thought I would like to take the CMP distinctive cab and box and just strip the body off a modern pick up truck and plop it down on the new frame and running gear..That would work and you would have left hand drive and all the good stuff..sort out the dash and make it fit and you would have all the modern conveniences..like Heat and air ,good breaks and 200 MPH potential..with a super charger.. If you look at some of the CMP conversions in Thailand,you would soon realize that some camouflage tactics and you can do any thing you want and still have that CMP Look.. Go for it... But what ever you do take pictures and post them here and have fun.. Damned the torpedoes and full speed ahead.!!!
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21-12-10, 21:42
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Interesting reads this thread.....
Hi Don
Sure a lot of traffic on this issue...... just a couple of observations on what you most recently wrote..... You mentioned that your area of expertise was computers and not mechanics/body work..... well the thruth be know most of us are frustrated wanna be mechanics/welders/bodymen....... in fact I suspect that the majority of the MLU membership are not mechanics but rather earn our livelyhood doing something else...... and turn to MLU / CMP and all that is greasy/mechanics as a release from the frustration of life.... I for one is am a professional paper pusher for the Feds.... once out of the office I like to do work with my hands..... very little formal training in what is required to restore or repair a CMP...... Collectively the greatest attributes are....willingness to try... the stubborness to persist...... and be dumb enough not to know we can't do it......oh yes money!!! do not restore a CMP to sell for a profit...!!!! Some of the greatest restorations have been done by members who presisted and turned to MLU, books, the web, EBay, etc. to find ways to make it work. Another firm belief that I suscribe to..... you cannot restore a CMP with out have a couple of vehicles as a parts source.... or just as a model to look at when you can't remember how the parts fits...... the three Mousequeteers at the Hammond barn have in excess of 24 parts trucks to draw from..... Get yourself some CMPs.... and go for it...... but..... you have to keep us posted of your progress or failures....... I know if no other places where such a wealth of information is so readily available. Bob C
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21-12-10, 23:46
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I agree with Bob in general
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I just wanted to expand on Bobs points a little and to disagree with one point. You most certainly must be craze to restore a CMP but as most who have gotten into this mania realize almost nobody restores just one. In its advance stage CMP mania requires you to restore the second and even the third trucks. Bob mentions that it is important to have a parts sources ie. the proverbial parts trucks what we have to let Bob in on is those aren't parts trucks they are potential restoration projects. One of the nice things about CMPs is because they were designed to be built with the simplest available parts and parts manufactures so much of the trucks are reproducible. Cheers Phil
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23-12-10, 02:51
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C15a In Your Picture
Hi Don,
The C15a shown in your second picture was featured in Convoy Magazine, Issue # 27, Page 25. The article indicated that the truck had been rescued by Jim Harrison and later donated to his local Region Branch. The picture you have shown is identical to the picture in the magazine. Not sure if the deal fell through but just thought I would share what I know with you as there have been situations where people have purchased trucks from people who didn't own them. Speaking from personal experience as one who had a truck sold by someone who did not own it. Good luck with whatever you decide in your restoration.
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