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Old 30-04-11, 19:24
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richie the carrier has very poor vision to the left , so bare that in mind when deciding on what vehicle you take your test in.
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Old 30-04-11, 19:40
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Having had a go in a CVRT I think that is the way to go the controls were nice and responsive and the FOV in the scorpion was suprisingly excellent ! Infact I have really fallen for the CVRT and would deffo buy one tomorrow if I could !
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Old 30-04-11, 21:01
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This is what I found.

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Part III
Track-Laying Vehicles(see application provisions below the following Table)
Table 1 2 3
Item No. Class of Vehicle Maximum Speed (in miles per hour) while vehicle is being driven on a road
1. A motor vehicle being a track-laying vehicle which is fitted with—(a) springs between its frame and its weight-carrying rollers, and(b) resilient material between the rims of its weight-carrying rollers and the surface of the road,and which is not drawing a trailer. 20mph
2. A vehicle specified in item 1 above drawing one or more trailers each one of which is either—(a) a track-laying vehicle fitted with springs and resilient material as mentioned in that item, or(b) not a track-laying vehicle and each wheel of which is fitted with either a pneumatic tyre or a resilient tyre. 20mph
3.A vehicle specified in item 1 above drawing one or more trailers any one of which is either—(a) a track-laying vehicle not fitted with springs and resilient material as mentioned in that item, or(b) not a track-laying vehicle and at least one wheel of which is not fitted with either a pneumatic tyre or a resilient tyre. 5mph
4. A motor vehicle being a track-laying vehicle which is not fitted with springs and resilient material as mentioned in item 1 above, whether drawing a trailer or not. 5mph
5. A motor vehicle not being a track-laying vehicle, which is drawing one or more trailers any one or more of which is a track-laying vehicle—(a) if every wheel of the motor vehicle and of any non-track-laying trailer is fitted with a pneumatic tyre or with a resilient tyre, and every trailer which is a track-laying vehicle is fitted with springs and resilient material as mentioned in item 1(b) in any other case 20
The key being the phrase ' between the rims of its weight-carrying rollers and the surface of the road'.

I would argue that the wheel rim does not include the rubber tyre but a court may decide differently..... I would suggest a carrier is allowed to do 20 mph.
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Old 30-04-11, 22:30
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well found Adrain, it was a few years back when i went and sat with a traffic cop in police HQ Norwich sorting out the regs for tracked vehicles on the road, i wanted to know what they may nick me for if i was ever stopped.
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Old 01-05-11, 01:59
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I have read that phrase Adrian has quoted time and time again and put it to other people too before my 'H' test, you can only conclude from this, is that your speed limit during your test in a carrier would be 5 mph. What speed you then do after you have passed your test if another matter.

So stick to a walking pace of 5 mph and you cant go wrong.

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Old 01-05-11, 02:41
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I would obtain a copy of the statute, and I would present it to the testing officer before the test, and ask him what his interpretation is.
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Old 01-05-11, 11:56
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I would obtain a copy of the statute, and I would present it to the testing officer before the test, and ask him what his interpretation is.
cant agree more... the problem is sometimes even the examiner will not know hahahahaha


I will get the ball rolling and get it booked up pronto ! just need some dates of availability from the site owner i have contacted so i can get it booked.


i take it the highway code questions were the usual "what sign is this" ?
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Old 01-05-11, 15:11
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I have read that phrase Adrian has quoted time and time again and put it to other people too before my 'H' test, you can only conclude from this, is that your speed limit during your test in a carrier would be 5 mph. kevin.
I would disagree. There are two conclusions, it all depend on your interpretation of 'between the rims of its weight carrying rollers and the surcace of the road'.

It does not mention track material at all merely that there has to be some resiliant material, presumeably rubber, between the road and the wheel rim. I would ague that there is in a carrier and similar steel tracked vehicles.

Automotively, the wheel rim does not include the tyre.
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Old 01-05-11, 17:01
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I've read through those directive that Adrian posted a few times now, and I would agree with him on the conclusion.
Since options 2,3,and 5 are for vehicles drawing a trailer, we can discount them. So that leaves options 1 and 4. Since a carrier has springs and rubber on the rollers/wheels, it must mean 20mph. A quarry machine such as a old drag line or modern Poclain type digger that has no suspension and steel rollers would have the 5mph imposed
Also since 5mph is slower than most milk floats, I think you could be in danger of pissing off the examiner!
It's probably academic anyway, as most would probably use a more modern vehicle like a 432 or Scorpion..... Just my 10cents

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