Ford Blitz Restoration/Rebuild

Mike K · #1 28-07-11, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Local Chap

Protec's paint for the ADF cam colours is a premixed enamel, not 2 pack.

They do actually do a 2 pack ADF system . It's called BARRIER PU 601 ...$70 for 4 litres and $30 for the hardener

The stuff your thinking of is 342 Camoflage enamel .

Private_collector · #2 28-07-11, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

They do actually do a 2 pack ADF system . It's called BARRIER PU 601 ...$70 for 4 litres and $30 for the hardener

The stuff your thinking of is 342 Camoflage enamel .

Mike,

Were you pleased with this product?

It might be a good option if it's matt & premixed. DAMN CHEAP TOO!!!
I don't give a rats who I get paint from, so long as its simple to obtain once source located. It was Protec head office I have been writing to. Local paint shop here mean well, but not much help & poorly motivated.

You are right or course regarding emails, so is Bob, though it shouldn't happen that way.

Bob Moseley (RIP) · #3 29-07-11, 06:29

Hi Tony - sorry you are having hassles with Protec, but I will let you sort that out. Below is the formula that I used for the colour for a timber paint. Depending on the base colour of the metal paint, I use Protec Equipment Enamel 304, the formula should be the same. I did not need to flatten it as it was for timber. The laboratory here does the metal paint flattening for me.

Khaki Green No. 3 Timbercote
• 4l yellow base
• B: 9Y, 20
• D: 1Y
• F: 34
• A: 1Y, 20
Paint code ex. Protec Paints

Khaki Green No.3 is B.S. 381-1939
Humbrol model paint code 30 should give you the colour match.

Your paint shop in Gympie should be able to get that right which just leaves you with the flattening problem, but I see there is plenty of good advice from our fellow MLUers. Just let me know if I can help you with anything.

Bob

Mike K · #4 29-07-11, 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Private_collector

Mike,

Were you pleased with this product?

It might be a good option if it's matt & premixed. DAMN CHEAP TOO!!!
I don't give a rats who I get paint from, so long as its simple to obtain once source located. It was Protec head office I have been writing to. Local paint shop here mean well, but not much help & poorly motivated.

You are right or course regarding emails, so is Bob, though it shouldn't happen that way.

If you look at the current ADF vehicles , the camo colours are what Protec makes and sells . The green is too light for me . I wanted Deep bronze green from the BSC chart . But they won't tint it , you have to buy the stuff in the standard ADF green and tint it yourself . It's a polyurethane 2 pack enamel . It's supposedly scratch proof and very hard .

I haven't tried it yet myself, but yes, it is cheap .

You can download the data sheet from their web site ... and all their other paint data as well . www.protec.com.au

Mike

Private_collector · #5 29-07-11, 10:43

Bob,

Thanks for the formula information. Very good of you to obtain that for me, and your previous offer to arrange supply from down there, despite hardly knowing me, was a grand gesture. I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to calling on others, particularly where on-going involvement would be needed on your part, or possibly so. I'm funny with regards to customer service too. Any business can provide good service when things are going well, but true colors show (no pun) when things get rough or some degree of effort is required. I should mention at this point, that the guy I have had replies from Protec, is actually a "technical representitive & trainer" not some raw recruit counter jockey.

You know, of the several sandblasting companies in Gympie, only one is actually proactive and accomodating to needs. Morgan Engineering is that Co. Their main business is heavy truck repair & engineering / fabrication. In theory they would be within their rights to decline the small stuff I have had them involved in, but they actually care & want to be a part of the restoration. I am always asked what progress has been made since last visit. Up to now thats not been much, but I expect that will change as of now.........I plan. They are a family run business and I never feel like i'm imposing, even though I probably am. Pleasure to deal with them or other businesses like them. Likewise, the truck tyre place I took the two 'stuck' tyres to for removal from wheels. The poor sods spent ~45min each to get them off. Told me they were hardest tyres to remove in a very long while. Despite that, they charged me very little, and didn't ban me from bringing them more in future. The boss did ask for a days notice so he could have a valium though. These businesses are in my little town & I really feel this does make a difference too. Sorry city folks!

These businesses, like yourself, will be offered credit space on display board I will make regarding the rebuild, once finished!

I will visit Painters Pit-stop tomorrow and take your formula information, no doubt something can be arranged that will be suitable. I got reply from Protec today, which certainly shows they (correction, the guy that got the message) are not interested in helping me. My question was 'do you have Khaki Green 3' & I also asked of color range for ADF.

Email reply contents as follows:

No
We do not have a formula for this colour
We also do not supply any 601 Army material without ADF approval

Kind Regards

He flattly (pun intended) denied knowledge of the formula/name. Oh well, he can stick his head up a dead bears bum!

Thanks again to you, Mike & others for your patience & advice,

Bob Moseley (RIP) · #6 29-07-11, 14:04

Hi Tony - given your experiences with Protec I would have the same opinion of them as you have. However I personally will be taking this up with my contact as I find myself embarrased after recommending them to you.

I AM DISPLEASED.

Bob

Private_collector · #7 29-07-11, 14:55

Bob,

Don't let it ruin your relationship with Protec.

It's not worth damaging raport of a decade.

No need to be embarrased.

Your reputation can't be tarnished by something outside your control. That's common sense.

Mind you, in the wider view, I think common sense died a long time ago.
I know.............I went to the funeral!

Private_collector · #8 30-07-11, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

They do actually do a 2 pack ADF system . It's called BARRIER PU 601 ...$70 for 4 litres and $30 for the hardener

The stuff your thinking of is 342 Camoflage enamel .

Mike,

I spent 90 min at the auto paint shop this morning/afternoon. The formula Bob supplied was apparently unable to be replicated in the Automotive 2 pack I wanted. This is the paint I used and was impressed with last weekend, when to insides of wheel halves were sprayed. In fact they said they didn't have a "yellow base" to start formula. Also, the mixing formula letter combination confused them, so no good with that, apparently. Couldn't get their head around the whole timber VS auto side of the process either.

If you read my recent postings here, you will recall Protec email responder stating they do NOT supply 601 without ADF approval. My local paint shop did not have ADF in 601, and couldn't find it in their database. They did feel it could be restricted, but will check for me. So TBA.

On the other hand, 342 Camoflage paint, enamel, is a standard pre mixed "lustreless" formula in three colors (they think). As fortune would have it, they actually had a 1L can in back room. This I have bought, in addition to a compatable hardener, effectively and literally turning this enamel into 2 Pack. The hardener is urethane! And NO FLATTENER NEEDED for mixing. I will study tech sheets tonight & trial this paint tomorrow, painting outside of the wheels. The insides will then be of darker color, which is regrettable, but being insides won't make a lick of difference, except I will know......and now you too.

Depending on whether I can deal with the color difference, I may even respray insides at later date. On the other hand, if the 342 is not satisfactory finish or quality, i will have wheels re-sandblasted and start from scratch. The enamel / 2 pack '342' paint will probably NOT allow recoating with another type of paint.

The 324 is considerably cheaper than 609 but is still around $45 a litre. At least they think so, couldn't actually find a price for this on the computer either, because it is used so rarely that they deleted it from sales files.

Tune in tomorrow for the next exciting episode of..........oh bugger it, even i'm bored with this now.......

Andy Cusworth · #9 30-07-11, 11:29

Hey Tony

this is like watching paint dry ...... very drab

Mike K · #10 30-07-11, 13:05

Tony

I rang the Protec Dandenong branch. The chap there said he would sell me ADF 601 no problem. He knew that particluar paint and he said they had some in stock . I dont know why you are getting the royal run around ..

Try another branch in QLD maybe

Mike

Private_collector · #11 30-07-11, 13:22

Mke,

Today's episode was more lack of information on hand, rather that bugger off & don't bother me. They will check on the ADF stuff on Monday. They did try to contact Protec while I was there, but no answer. The two ladies that run the local shop really do put a lot of effort into trying to help. I found that out for sure today.

I hope 601 formulas are same as 324 I got today, but in case they are not, i'm prepared for that too. If tomorrows trial of 324 is successful and I like the color and finish, I may continue to use it for certain parts.

Andy Cusworth · #12 30-07-11, 16:37

if you can locate what you want around Brisbane area let me know and I can cvollect it for you, i use Peninsula Paints in Redcliffe and they do a fair bit of military paint if you wanted to give them a call.

Private_collector · #13 31-07-11, 02:07

Andy,

Peninsula Paints are a real blast from the past for me.

I can't believe they are still going strong. When I was a painter, all of our paint supplies came from them. That's early eighties. Are they still on Anzac Avenue, Kippa Ring, on left side as heading towards water?

Thanks for the offer, but should not need alternative to my local, if all goes as it should.