Ford Blitz Restoration/Rebuild

Private_collector · #1 16-02-13, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Yes, that was part of it - I can remember the sense of triumph trying to push the back across as the wheels spun so you could escape the tree. It would have been a long walk out.

Firstly: Keith & Tony.......You pair of knockabouts. Couldn't be described a 'wreckless' though.

CMP brake shoes. I'm looking (and bidding, take note) at an auction on ebay for a quantity of Ford CMP brake shoes. The listing states "WW2 Military Ford Blitz Brake Shoes - full set", but to me they all look to be the same size and width. That said, I have not yet taken the front wheel hubs off, and to date, NEVER seen a Ford front brake shoe. I was expecting there to be a visible size difference in width at least.
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The auction interests me because I know for a fact that there are at least two brake shoes missing from my front brakes. Wheel cylinders were taken off at some point. Not by me! Presumably due to pads sticking to the hub and making pushing the vehicle around very difficult. With cylinders off, the shoes fall together.....no more pad to hub problems.

If the front and rear brake pads are identical (that's my question, by the way), I can use pads from my spare rear axle instead of hunting for front ones.

Still wouldn't mind the ebay ones. Would be handy to get a set relined as spares for the future.

hrpearce · #2 16-02-13, 01:02

Answer to your question is on page U-9 in MB-F1.
It all depends on what axles you have.

Keith Webb · #3 16-02-13, 01:15

Tony, by the look of the shoes in your pics they are all the width for front brake drums as fitted to axles with the 4 7/8" steering ends which were used on 15cwt and early CMP front axles. They won't fit the rear at all. Vehicles with 6" steering ends had the wider drums.

If you look at your brake drums, if the front are as wide as the rear then these will be of no use to you at all.

Jacques Reed · #4 16-02-13, 04:07

Another thing to consider is what are the linings made from?

I have a NOS set of shoes and linings which have a distinctive blue/green hue to them and was told by a brake shop they contain asbestos of the worst kind.
You know- Midnight Oil's "Blue Sky Mining"

I replaced all mine with modern asbestos free linings and have left the blue/green ones in permanent storage and will probably never use them. I am even loathe to put them on Ebay because of what they may contain. I don't want to suck up asbestos dust in years to come or would wish anyone else to do so on something I sold them.

So much WW2 stuff contains asbestos so best to check.

Cheers,

Jacques Reed · #5 16-02-13, 07:02

Posted here are two photos.

They show a 2" wide front brake shoes as used only on F15, F15A, and F30 CMP vehicles and the 3 1/2" wide rear brake shoes which appear to be used on all other models front and rear according to MB-F1 U-9. Check section however for specifics. The F15 and F15A rear shoes in addition have a pin pressed into the shoes at the top for the hand brake actuating lever.

Note the 2' wide front one is shod with a modern non-asbestos brake lining, grey in colour.
The 3 1/2" wide rear one is a NOS I referred to previously with the greenish/blue coloured lining.

The person who informed me it contains asbestos was running a truck brake business for 40 years and just recently closed shop so I believe he knows his brakes.

Cheers,

Keith Webb · #6 16-02-13, 07:33

Nicely illustrated Jacques. That green colour is pretty.

Incidentally (I know you probably don't need any now) I have some NOS handbrake cables for the F15A as well as the little rubber accordion boots for them.

Jacques Reed · #7 16-02-13, 09:24

Hi Keith,

Yes they are pretty, pretty hazardous to health if ground down to dust!

Jokes aside, I think I may drill out the rivets on the linings keeping everything wet as I do to prevent any airborne dust. Once the linings are off and the shoes are washed down they should be safe from contamination.

So Tony if you need them give me a shout. I have two NOS, and 2 VG used 3 1/2" wide shoes. They are no good to me as they do not have the pins for the handbrake lever as used on my F15A. I have a correct spare set anyway.
And thanks Keith I have the handbrake cables, boots and a spare set too.