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Old 19-03-13, 15:56
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The short answer is yes.

The 'Howitzer, BL, 6 inch, 26 cwt' (to use the short form or ... 'Ordnance BL 6 inch 26 cwt Howitzer Mk.1 on Carriage Mks 1 or 1(P) or 1(R) or 1(PA) or 1(P)(Aust)' to use the long forms.)

Small number held in Aust prior to the war. Wartime holdings delivered direct from the UK, others from the Middle East, so the ones in the image may well have ended up in Australia.

Superseded by the 5.5 inch BL Howitzer, which remained in service post war.


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Interesting,
I did quite a bit of research on the gun for the master for the Resicast kit.
I'm intrigued by your ref 1(P) Aust. So there was an Oz version, can you enlighten me on the changes there may have been.
I have details from the 1919, 1924 and 1937 manuals ex Firepower Museum at Woolwich. I know the carriage remained the same pretty much throughout with changes to the towing eye, from a cast eye, then a short attachment bolted through the existin eye, later a whole new assembly and longer towing bar.
Wheels were another issue, spoked artillery type, then fitted with "shoes" and again a wider "ring" of felloes bolted to the wheel rim, others had a solid rubber tyre fitted to the original spoked wheel. Pneumatic tyres fitted to inter-war guns had a "Martin Parry" type adaptor to the axletree, then late guns had a revised axle to use the 13.50 x 20 tyres.
Interwar on those with the solid rubber tyre, and some fitted with the wider "ring" also had a central brake drum.
I am slowly gathering info in the hope of writing a small article on thge gun for a modelling magazine.

George.
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Old 19-03-13, 18:25
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George,

As far as I'm aware, the 1(P) was the Brit pneumatic wheeled carriage. Those imported as such were Mk.1 (P), and those converted locally in Aust (from the pre-war stock) were Mk.1(P)(Aust). I don't know the differences in detail, but the installation of pneumatic wheels on all sorts of items in Australia used the simplest method available from locally available materials.

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Old 20-03-13, 00:39
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George,

As far as I'm aware, the 1(P) was the Brit pneumatic wheeled carriage. Those imported as such were Mk.1 (P), and those converted locally in Aust (from the pre-war stock) were Mk.1(P)(Aust). I don't know the differences in detail, but the installation of pneumatic wheels on all sorts of items in Australia used the simplest method available from locally available materials.

Mike C
Mike could the conversion on local (Aust) guns been the same as the 4.5 inch gun conversion? I have photos showing a 4.5in limber conversion done here in Australia and it was quite simple.
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Old 20-03-13, 00:48
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As far as I'm aware, the 1(P) was the Brit pneumatic wheeled carriage. Those imported as such were Mk.1 (P), and those converted locally in Aust (from the pre-war stock) were Mk.1(P)(Aust). I don't know the differences in detail, but the installation of pneumatic wheels on all sorts of items in Australia used the simplest method available from locally available materials.

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Here are shots of the MkIP and PA, (according to the manual).
The Ip has 13.50 x 20 tyres, the IPA has 15.50 x 24 tyres.
It seems strangs the IPA is an inter-war the IP the later pattern.

I dont think I could ever get my head around the designations applied to British equipment.

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Old 20-03-13, 02:29
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Cliff & George,

Sorry, you've reached the limit of my knowledge on the 6 inch BL. Time to find some examples and compare them.

Don't know of too many survivors in Australia, though. The RAA museum collection is in storage at Bandiana, but that may be a source of info.

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Old 21-03-13, 00:46
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Cliff & George,

Sorry, you've reached the limit of my knowledge on the 6 inch BL. Time to find some examples and compare them.

Don't know of too many survivors in Australia, though. The RAA museum collection is in storage at Bandiana, but that may be a source of info.

Mike C
No problems mate.
Just seemed strange having an Aus suffix to the mark of gun.
18pdrs, 4.5" howitzers had slight differences in "Commonwealth" service, particularly wheels/tyres.
Might be the old story, as rubber was getting scarce...better to use what was available re civilian stuff......just a thought.

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Old 22-03-13, 01:56
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Many, many years ago there was a 6 inch carriage and trail on a farm near Drouin, Victoria. John Belfield beat me to it and located a barrel etc on the range at Pucka and put it together. I do not remember the size of the tyres, but they were certainly wide on quite large wheels.

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Old 22-03-13, 02:17
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Here's a few pictures of the 6" Howitzer at 'Firepower' the Artillery museum in London.
Does anyone know what happened to Johns 6" gun ?

Rob...............rnixartillery

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