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If it's a 303 it's a P14.
It it's a 30-06 it's a P17.
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David,
It is a P14. The photos of the markings have .303 stamped on the chamber. Lang |
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Just noticed a reference in "The Book of Rifles" Smith.
In 1939/40 the Americans shipped an astonishing 1,000,000 of these rifles "on hand" in bulk to UK. Because Smith deals with both rifles in the same section of the book I can't work out if they were 30-06 or .303. Why would the Americans have 1,000,000 .303 on hand, indicating production through the 20's? I can understand them having the M1917/P17 Enfield on hand as they had standardised on the Springfield for their army and had the WW1 P17 leftovers but if they were 30-06 there is little mention in any history I have seen of the British using that calibre rifle in vast numbers. Lang Last edited by Lang; 02-09-13 at 01:50. |
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Yep, P14. They were un popular because of the bolt shape. They were heavy, but made good snipers rifles.
I would query the date. It should be WWII era.
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Lynn,
The stated date above is 1918 but the markings on the chamber indicate 1916. ('16) No .303 of this type were made in the WW2 era but it appears millions of old stock were used. This will tell you who made it (once again for P17 but P14 the same) http://m1903.com/m1917markings.htm Lang Last edited by Lang; 02-09-13 at 01:56. |
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As has been stated, the US manufactured the .303 P14 for the British during the Great War. They were used again during the Second World War and in the case of Canada, mostly for training by the Army. The .3006 P17 was also used by Canada during the Second World War and it is possible to see them being employed by the RCN and RCAF.
Your cut-down P14 is a nice rifle that deserves to be restored back to its original configuration. |
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Check with IMA in the US. They might have the full wood set and hardware you are looking for and they will be able to ship into Canada for you.
Here in Canada, SIR used to have full wood sets for these British and American rifles, but I am not sure what would be available since they merged with Cabelas. Wouldn't cost anything to ask them at any rate. David |
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Lang, Ed, thanks for the revision. I did know it once, but the info was lost somewhere in my head I was not putting it together, "model OF 1914", model Of 1917 etc.
I actually owned a P14 for some years. It had been cut down to a 13 inch barrel. The result of my dad's friend having the muzzle in the water when trout fishing. The 13" barrel was all that was left after the pitch fork bit was cut away.
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