CMPs at the Dutch National Military Museum

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Did you take a picture of the Data plates in the C15A as well? The rear cab wall seems to be of a Wireless truck.

No data plates present, but it does have the aperture for the speaker tube in the back of the cab.

Is the lever with PTO (see separate thread) part of the Wireless Truck configuration?

It also does not have a roof hatch (or could this be a remanufactured roof?).

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[Grant Bowker]

The spare tire carrier behind the cab is not a feature of the Wire5 (the 2K1 body had the spare tire carrier set into the left side of the body). The generator(s) for the house type Wire5 were chorehorse(s) mounted in the right, rear corner of the body - not PTO driven. Based on these differences, if the truck is completely original and not an amalgam of features from a rebuild, I would guess it is not a Wire5. I've seen so many of the rear cab walls with speaking tube opening that I have wondered if they were used on vehicles other than wireless or if it is just that as a specialized variant the wireless remained in service longer than the GS? The C15A parts list doesn't list a separate roof assembly for the wireless version But it also doesn't list separate roofs for hatchless, square hatch and round hip ring variants - so there's no help there. The wireless trucks had extensive grounding to reduce interference. Check for short braided straps joining the parts of the cab. Also check for the shielded ignition system. According to the C15A-04 parts list, another identifying feature unique to the wireless trucks seems to be that the wireless trucks used a different rifle mounting clip system on the left side in the cab parts group 16.5791 and 16.580. I have never knowingly seen these to know what the differences are from the standard versions.
Hatchless roofs were a production item, my C60X hulk has one. Any time you are more concerned with weather protection than seeing out the roof they make perfect sense.The crosswise brace inside the hatchless roof looks to be an original pattern. I don't remember having seen the two braces in the curve of the roof above the doors. They aren't on my C60X but that doesn't mean they aren't original to the C15A shown.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

The spare tire carrier behind the cab is not a feature of the Wire5 (the 2K1 body had the spare tire carrier set into the left side of the body). The generator(s) for the house type Wire5 were chorehorse(s) mounted in the right, rear corner of the body - not PTO driven. Based on these differences, if the truck is completely original and not an amalgam of features from a rebuild, I would guess it is not a Wire5. I've seen so many of the rear cab walls with speaking tube opening that I have wondered if they were used on vehicles other than wireless or if it is just that as a specialized variant the wireless remained in service longer than the GS?

Agree with the WIRE-5, but what if it was a WIRE-1 / Fitted For Wireless (FFW) version, the one based on the standard 15-cwt cargo body?

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[Grant Bowker]

I agree that the tire carrier fits with Wire1 but think the chorehorse on the running board argues against the PTO driving a generator.
I also need to look at the information on the water tank body to see if it had PTO pump as well as hand pumps.

[Alex van de Wetering]

No data plates present, but it does have the aperture for the speaker tube in the back of the cab.

Is the lever with PTO (see separate thread) part of the Wireless Truck configuration?

I don't think that PTO config. can be linked to wireless use. My bet is on a post-war mod, but I am curious if Grant can find out more about the water bowser.

By the way; Is the lever for the Transfer case missing? Or am I confusing things? That would mean it's permanently in two or 4 wheel drive(?).

Maurice, do you know where this C15A came from? France as well? Or ex-Dutch army? If it's the latter, than I would't be surprised if it's a mix of parts and a GS body and spare tyre carrier could easily have landed on a Wire5 chassis....or maybe more likely a Cab rear wall from a 15cwt or 20cwt Wireless truck or Ambulance on a C15A GS truck. I agree with Grant that you should be able to find some kind of evidence, like the extensive use of grounding wires, if the truck was once a Wire5 (or Wire1).

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

Hanno,

Have you heard anything on the rarest of them all....the Wasp carrier?
I love to see that on display in the museum.....and preferebly untouched WITHOUT respray!

Alex

[Maurice Donckers]

I think the wasp is on loan to another museum , and what about the Archer and Standard Beaverette?