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Old 23-01-14, 12:34
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Default Purolator oil filter N-51

The Ford Lynx runs an oil conditioner, or to us lesser mortals, oil filter. It has a PUROLATOR N-51 cartridge.

The Ford Lynx parts book lists it as number C01A-18697. On the top of the Purolator brand cartridge is the number N-51.

I need one.

Spent hours searching the web for one to no avail, so over to MLU.

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Old 23-01-14, 13:46
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Try checking for an interchange. What numbers do wix or fram or another dozen different filter manufacturers cross over to. Is it by any chance just a std military filter cartridge? Mostly then, they were bypass filters. How do they compare to other CMP filters?
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Old 23-01-14, 15:20
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Default Do you have acess to older printed cross over catalogs?

Hi Rick

I'll check some of the older filter print catalogs to see if I can come up with a cross over number. All my catalogs are US but will see if anything comes up.

I've found that actual print catalogs have stuff that is not listed on the web, it seems that they just sort of loose the older information when they feed the info into a computer data base. I've also found that it is worth going back through several print catalogs as the data shown in one year maybe different from what is shown in another year or different suppliers catalogs. For years the local NAPA parts dealer that I have been buying from for 30+ years gives me copies of what ever print catalog I want when they get the new ones.

May not go out and look today though, catalogs are out in the loft of the shop and it is currently -17C and not expected to warm up.

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The part number works out to a Nato stock number (NSN) 2940-00-529-2737. That NSN gives a lot of interchange. Hopefully this link works out:

http://www.dlis.dla.mil/webflis/pub/...2737&newpage=1

If I cross reference one of the numbers from that list, I get a NAPA NGF 1080. This will translate into a WIX 51080. You can also likely get away with the standard 1010 oil filter used on all the fords, although it is slightly larger dimensionally but has a better micron rating.
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Old 23-01-14, 18:16
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Hi Rick

Had to go out to the shop anyway so brought in the filter interchange catalogs. Started with the oldest 1990 looking at Purolator N-15 not listed but they had a Purolator N-1500 that cross referenced over to the what Rob found "NAPA NGF 1080" if you want to check the dimensions and information to compare of the with what you have try this link http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...080_0338264248 on that page you can click Buyers Guide and it will give you a cross to all the vehicles and equipment that uses that filter. I've found this information useful in tracking down sources. Quick look says it was used in a lot of stuff.

Also checked the 2007 NAPA filter catalog and it is showing the same N-1500 with a NAPA number of 1080.

I know the NAPA numbers don't help much but their numbers are the same as Wix with the first number dropped from the Wix 5 is oil filter designation. Just called my local NAPA and they confirm that Wix 51080 and NAPA 1080 are still in the system.

Cost in US dollars is list $25.32 with normal shop discount down to $14.49

Hope this helps.

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Hard to believe they are actually cheaper here in Canada. From my "PROlink site:
List price 20.69
Your Cost 12.29
Unit Each
DC Qty:6 Store:1

This means that my cost is only $12.29, my store actually has one in stock, and there are 6 more at the regional warehouse in Winnipeg.

All this leads me to another question: The Shilo Lynx I worked on has the mk2 style double filter full flow oil filter system like a mk2 carrier. Since yours has the smaller filter, was this on the earlier models of lynx and was it a partial flow only filter?
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Rob, Most of those cartridge filters were bypass filters. Another little thing is that some had a little lift out wire handle. There will be a cross over to one with/without the handle (loop) which should offer up another set of numbers.
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Rob, Lynn and Phil, I haven't been able to cross reference any as yet so here are some photos showing the sizes. Thanks for your help and suggestions.

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The filter element you have is quite close to the Military Junior as used on WW2 Jeep and Dodge. The only difference appears to be the length or height of the Junior element which is 4-1/2 inches as against 5 inches for the N-15. Bore/stem diameter and outside diameter are the same.
I believe that the Military Junior element would be perfectly ok to use with a half inch spacer below and they are readily available. They were quite adequate for the 230 Cu In Dodge which is also a bypass setup.
I am using Fleetguard LF 510 on my Dodge 6x6.

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Default N-51

Rick,
Here is what you are after. Check the number again on your filter

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Default Ok back to the orginal request

Hi All

Rick in your original request yous said "It has a PUROLATOR N-15 cartridge" but the last two post are showing photos of N-51. So would you confirm the number?

Going back to my 1990 Catalog I don't find a N-51 listed but do find a P-51 listed which has a NAPA number of FIL 1100 which should be WIX 51100 here is the link to the NAPA site to the FIL 1100 see if these are closer to what you need. http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...100_0297032254 these numbers look closer to your measurements.

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Looks like the problem is solved Richard.
The number on Rick's old element appears to be N-51.
Bingo!

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Looks like I need new glasses. I will say that I originally transposed the number in the workshop when it was covered in Black, Black oil. It is N-51 as you can see in the cleaned up photo., Thanks Richard for pointing that out. Seems that we might be able to source one a bit more easily using the correct number.

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I am trying to find a (near) local source for these filters. I have a NOS one but I want a modern newly made one.


Cross reference to CMP Ford Flathead/Sidevalve V8 oil filters:
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Here is a NOS filter I bought from LWD parts. Other than the first example I had, this one has slight rust from storage (what to expect after 70 years?) so I'll keep it for show.

This is what was listed on the label:

Wix oil filter element

NA/AG 172
Ford C11Q-18663
G.M. 853472
Chysler 923768

Dimensions are (approx.):
Diameter: 96 mm / 3.8 inch
Height: 133 mm / 5.2 inch

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Going back to my 1990 Catalog I don't find a N-51 listed but do find a P-51 listed which has a NAPA number of FIL 1100 which should be WIX 51100 here is the link to the NAPA site to the FIL 1100 see if these are closer to what you need. http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...100_0297032254 these numbers look closer to your measurements
That links results in a message "Access To Website Blocked" for some reason (non-US residents?).

I read the Junior Military Filter cross-references to AC P-115 and Fram C-21. I'll check what the local car parts store can come up with, at least I have the NOS one to compare.
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Hi Rick,

Just looking at the dimensions of the elements you were seeking and I found these two filter elements when I was chasing them up for my F-15A:

Fleetguard LF510 Length 4.87" Dia 3.97" Hole Dia 0.54"
NAPA1006 Length 5.00" Dia 4.094 " Hole Dia 0.553"
(WIX 51006) Length 5.007" Dia 4.094 " Hole Dia 0.553"

Fleetguard LF 510 are available in Dandenong at Whitehorse Truck Parts and the WIX 41006 are available from Brisbane at Australian Engines.

I bought a WiX 51001 from Australian Engines which has a 5.50" length which matched the original element from my F-15A

I recall a local company in Melbourne that had WIX 51006 elements but I had to get the 51001 from Brisbane. A google search should find the local Melbourne agent for WIX filters.

May have posted this photo before but if not here it is for comparison.
Original F15A- Left, WIX51001- middle and Fleetguard LF 510- right

Hope this is of some help and interest.

Still have the Fleetguard LF510 if anyone wants it.

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Thanks Jacques and Hanno for the updating of this 2014 thread. I was successful and the Lynx has a new filter installed.

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That links results in a message "Access To Website Blocked" for some reason (non-US residents?).

I read the Junior Military Filter cross-references to AC P-115 and Fram C-21. I'll check what the local car parts store can come up with, at least I have the NOS one to compare.
Hi Hanno

Just to close the loop on the NAPA Filter as the information might be of use see the 3 screen shots of the filter information.

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Rick just out of curiosity what filter Make and Number did you end up with?

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Just looking at the dimensions of the elements you were seeking and I found these two filter elements when I was chasing them up for my F-15A:
Fleetguard LF510 Length 4.87" Dia 3.97" Hole Dia 0.54"
NAPA1006 Length 5.00" Dia 4.094 " Hole Dia 0.553"
(WIX 51006) Length 5.007" Dia 4.094 " Hole Dia 0.553"
Thanks for all the input, Jacques and Phil.

But none of the filters you listed are available in Europe. The guy at the local car parts store was very friendly and helpful (he even looked up my truck on the internet), but he could only find cross-references to cross-references leading to one and the same filter - which is too wide.

I contacted Micha Korst of Jeep Dodge parts (http://jeep-dodge-parts.nl/) and he was very helpful and provided both the info and the filter in question: a Bosch P 9170 (order number 1 457 429 170, plus see the picture of the packaging for cross references to other brands).

Attached are some pictures and the product data sheet: Bosch P 9170 ProductDetail.pdf. While it stands 23 mm smaller at 110 mm, the diameter of 98 mm is a good match (2 mm larger). The center tube is 1.5 mm too large at 14 mm (although they all seem to be around the 0.55" mark), but I minimized seepage with a couple of rings.

I am happy to have fitted a new quality product. Will report back after the next oil change.

If anyone finds another (European) match, please report about it here.

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If anyone finds another (Europan) match, please report about it here.
Hanno,
A lot of application info here, it is a UK supplier and good price too.
https://www.inlinefilters.co.uk/Bran...ann/FMH-PF925X
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From the US government catoalogue for the mil junior filter, it offers the following manufacturers and their numbers. You will have to do a little research to go from the NSCM to their actual names, but you should recognize the part numbers. The 5 digit number preceeding the part number is the NSCM....:

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CYLINDRICAL W/CONTAINER,4.000 IN. MINIMUM AND 4.500 IN. MAXIMUM BODY DIA,0.562 IN. MINUMUM AND 0.625 IN. MAXIMUM BODY INSIDE DIA,5.281 IN. MINIMUM AND 9.062 IN. MAXIMUM BODY O/A LG,COTTON FILTERING MEDIUM MATERIAL,NONREUSABLE DESIGN,OUTSIDE IN FLOW DIRECTION,FOR BYPASS DESIGNED FILTRATION SYSTEM

74069 A108003
34623 A1236
44185 CC1404037
82254 CFN41273
82254 CFR40956
90346 C0-21P2
73370 C021P
70040 C115
08472 C21
66289 C21P
73370 C21P
76280 C21P
87405 C21P
73370 C21PL
66289 C21P2
73370 C21P2
74066 C21P2 9
0346 C21P2
77260 EN8-51
66127 EW8-51
81348 FF351
93742 F1414A
14351 F226L239
23040 GPW18632
23040 GPW18662A
23040 GPW18662B
05415 H392656C
02032 JHP110-218
16662 L21
22952 L51
96906 MS35346-1
53964 MZJR
54764 M16862
79396 PC212P
64829 PD51R
70040 P115
50284 P70
58275 P70
05415 W13235
11083 028397
45415 0436532
58275 0436532
16662 07-862836
16662 09-28397
12204 1088952
12204 1090726
34623 119952
44185 13203A
12204 1321264
12204 1404037
44185 1404037
73370 148931
56442 1495AG
56442 1495A6
34623 15440N
23040 2GAS18662
08300 20213-MO
51329 219404
72530 219404
79260 219404
44940 26637
64829 26637
64829 27718
66821 2820E3024
78640 28397
54123 31102
64829 32929
28835 34155-21
64829 38218
64829 38733
81336 3892940-072000
28265 39256C
28265 39256CS
35301 43-161
23382 48AC21P
64829 52929
96046 55947
75377 560D1-0641
50309 60315-3
73370 7631
19207 7696331
12603 858621
12603 859793
12603 862836
12603 880053
58275 902913
12204 921178
12935 9751

And here is the other filter being discussed in this thread:

STYLE DESIGNATOR A10 CYLINDRICAL W/CONTAINER BODY DIAMETER 4.000 INCHES MINIMUM AND 4.312 INCHES MAXIMUM BODY INSIDE DIAMETER 0.562 INCHES NOMINAL BODY OVERALL LENGTH 4.812 INCHES MINIMUM AND 4.937 INCHES MAXIMUM MATERIAL FILTERING MEDIUM COTTON DESIGN TYPE NONREUSABLE FILTRATION RATING IN MICRONS 10.0 NOMINAL FLOW DIRECTION OUTSIDE IN MEDIA FOR WHICH DESIGNED FUEL/OIL, HYDROCARBON SPECIAL FEATURES ELEMENT FOR BRASS FLOW DESIGNED SYSTEM,ELEMENT FURNSIHED WITH 1 SYNTHETIC RUBBER COVER GASKET TEST DATA DOCUMENT 81348-FF351 SPECIFICATION (INCLUDES ENGINEERING TYPE BULLETINS, BROCHURES,ETC., THAT REFLECT SPECIFICATION TYPE DATA IN SPECIFICATION FORMAT; EXCLUDES COMMERCIAL CATALOGS, INDUSTRY DIRECTORIES, AND SIMILAR TRADE PUBLICATIONS, REFLECTING GENERAL TYPE DATA ON CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL AND PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TEST CONDITIONS THAT ARE SHOWN AS "TYPICAL", "AVERAGE", "NOMINAL", ETC.). NONDEFINITIVE SPEC/STD DATA 2 TYPE AND 1 CLASS PROPRIETARY CHARACTERISTICS PACS

7X677 1595505
7X677 P209
53964 BC4
6N299 B2494
12603 CL791-1
24617 C204
70040 C204
24617 C23
70040 C23
62242 C4
73370 C4
73370 C4D
73370 C4P
73370 C4P2
23040 C4RZ6731A
12658 C41F
12658C53MJ
57526 C7NN-6N605-A
00501 C7NN-6N605-A
81348 FF351
74069 F101C
14351 GD157L319
79396 PC1F
64829 PD34
56367 PM-K55
70040 P209
64829 P34
58275 SP50053
23040 000-6731A
23040 01A18662
23040 01A18662A
050Q3 1006
44940 122-24
87405 148244
73370 148244
70040 1595505
24617 1595505
78222 16028B
89619 236GB232
28265 280206
1ML14 280206
28265 42863
28265 42863BS
76040 43SBA15
97497 4-36-11
89926 4502494-0
24446 47362BS
28265 47362BS
23382 48A5021
17990 4911
73370 5021
79396 51006
19207 540466
30076 57041
81067 6944
23040 7HA6731A
73782 7HA6731A
89926 74502494
12603 853732
12603 854570
0HYJ6 1006
89749 854570
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Hanno,
A lot of application info here, it is a UK supplier and good price too.
https://www.inlinefilters.co.uk/Bran...ann/FMH-PF925X
The reason why I order the MANN PF925X is that is comes with a 11 cm diameter rubber ring which fits in the oil filter housing cover nicely.

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