Farley Mowat's Stug

[rob love]

Well that should put a lot of the stories to rest. I need to find that edition.

[James P]

Originally Posted by rob love

Well that should put a lot of the stories to rest. I need to find that edition.

Yes and no, the history is well tracked from Holland to landing in Canada, then it seems there is a big black hole the Stug fell into while in the "care and custody" of the CF and various CF "museums" till it surfaces again in the US and passed about to various owners and eventually to the UK and given the respect and attention this piece of history deserved. The question is what authority, in Canada, back in the day, essentially gave away the Mowat Stug.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/241818390...-survivor-tank

[Ed Storey]

There were at least two in Canada, this one was taken off the Meaford ranges in the 1970s and saved by the CWM. They did a nice job of doing a cosmetic restoration and integrating it into their Italian Campaign display when the new museum opened in 2005. It seems Canada kept the wreck and gave away the runner.

Destroyed Stug III w.jpg

[David Herbert]

It might be argued that the wreck above is a more interesting exhibit to the general public than an intact runner if the runner is just going to be a static exhibit.

David

[James P]

Originally Posted by David Herbert

It might be argued that the wreck above is a more interesting exhibit to the general public than an intact runner if the runner is just going to be a static exhibit.

David

Wrong ! Both of the StuGs (the range wreak/diorama at the CWM and the one now in the UK) should have remained in Canada AND as running (or made running) vehicles and not either blasted and shot up or "sold" off in some slippery, self serving deal that is now lost to time.

https://www.wealdfoundation.org/Insi...ley-Mowat-StuG

[David Herbert]

Actually James I totally agree with you. I was making a different point altogether !

David

[David Dunlop]

I suppose any given military mirrors the society it is part of. If that society has little regard for old things and a ‘disposable’ mindset, we should not be surprised when old things get targeted for destruction on a range somewhere.

What has always struck me odd, however, with anti-armour weapons, is that they always get tested against armour technology that is 30 or more years older than the weapon being tested. And then everyone gets excited about how nicely the armour gets blown to bits. There is something innately wrong with that. If you have just developed and built a new antitank weapon today, why don’t you test it against a brand new Abrahams? Transportation Safety Boards do testing to destruction with brand new vehicles each year and has anyone looked at the average price for a brand new pickup truck these days?

David

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

There were at least two in Canada, this one was taken off the Meaford ranges in the 1970s and saved by the CWM. They did a nice job of doing a cosmetic restoration and integrating it into their Italian Campaign display when the new museum opened in 2005. It seems Canada kept the wreck and gave away the runner.

Another picture of this StuG. IIRC, it was Don Dingwall who restored this wreck to a very interesting exhibit.

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[George Bradford]

Hi All;

Just to acknowledge the Pz.IV/70(V) that used to sit in front of the old Canadian War Museum way back in 1988. It is likely the one that appeared in the Lefthand photo at Shilo, near the beginning of this thread.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by George Bradford

Just to acknowledge the Pz.IV/70(V) that used to sit in front of the old Canadian War Museum way back in 1988. It is likely the one that appeared in the Lefthand photo at Shilo, near the beginning of this thread.

Hello George, thanks for the reply and good to see you on this forum!

With your AFV News background, I'm sure you have been following many surviving AFVs even long before many members on here could read.

Regards,
Hanno

[Perry Kitson]

Here is a recent photo of the machine inside the new museum. Sorry, can't seem to rotate the photo. (any hints on how to do that?)
It has an interesting mixture of rubber and steel rimmed roadwheels.