British army trucks of the 30s. Identification

[Konstantin Chernov]

1. New Zealand Army Mobile Searchlight Unit. What kind of truck is this? A Leyland Retriever? The front wheel has eight mounting points, while Retrievers typically had ten. Or is this an export model?
2.An early New Zealand Army Leyland Retriever. The front wheel clearly shows the 10 mounting points.

[Konstantin Chernov]

Romanian army truck. Looks like a Morris-Commercial, but without the roll bar (sorry, I don't know what this part is called in English) and on narrow wheels. What model could it be? CS11/30 or WD 10/40 ?

[David Herbert]

I think the term you are looking for is "radiator guard" ? As you say the Romanian one does look as if it was delivered on much narrower tyres but has been fitted with bigger ones onto the original wheels. It must have been a struggle to fit them as I doubt that the original rims are two piece split rims like the standard WD wheels in your last photo.

You are doing very good work bringing all these photos together in one place. It is a very ignored subject, partly because there are very few of these trucks still in existance. Of course many were lost at Dunkirk and the rest were worked to death.

David

[Konstantin Chernov]

Originally Posted by David Herbert

I think the term you are looking for is "radiator guard" ?

Hi David.Thanks for your comment.

Originally Posted by David Herbert

As you say the Romanian one does look as if it was delivered on much narrower tyres but has been fitted with bigger ones onto the original wheels. It must have been a struggle to fit them as I doubt that the original rims are two piece split rims like the standard WD wheels in your last photo.

I think I made a mistake because of the poor quality of the photo. The "Romanian" truck has exactly the same wheels as the original.

Originally Posted by David Herbert

It is a very ignored subject, partly because there are very few of these trucks still in existance.

Oddly enough, there is very little information about English military vehicles. For example, even such a famous vehicle as the Leyland Retriever remains a mystery to me.

[Konstantin Chernov]

I can't figure out what kind of car this is?
Fordson Ten (10НР, Мodel C) with a radiator mask from Fordson Eight (8 НР, Мodel 7 Y)? Inauthentic restoration or was this car produced for the army in this form?
1.Fordson ?
2.Fordson 10HP ( Model CX ) 1934-37.
3.Ford 8HP (Model 7Y) 1937-39.

[Konstantin Chernov]

The logo on the radiator mask is hard to see. It is probably a Crossley. The truck itself is very similar to the Crossley 40/50 HP model 1923 from Vanderveen's reference book (1974 edition).

40-50 HP 1923.jpg Crossley 40-50 HP.jpg

[Konstantin Chernov]

1,2. Albion model?

Albion unknow.jpg Albion unknow_01.jpg


3. The shape of the hood and radiator mask of these trucks is very close to the A20 model.
A20.jpg


4. On the website https://trucksplanet.com/ru/models/albion-sb24/ these trucks are designated as Albion SB24, which in my opinion is incorrect. Albion SB24 30-cwt from the book by Vanderveen (1974 edition).

Albion 24 HP.jpg


5. Civilian subsidized version of Albion 30-cwt. Probably this is the LB24 model.

Albion LB24 Subsidy 30-cwt.jpg

[Konstantin Chernov]

Originally Posted by Konstantin Chernov

1. New Zealand Army Mobile Searchlight Unit. What kind of truck is this? A Leyland Retriever? The front wheel has eight mounting points, while Retrievers typically had ten. Or is this an export model?

1-3.Photos of a similar truck from different angles.
4.The photo is of very poor quality, but it seems to be the same car with a different body. If the authors of the article are not mistaken, then the mobile searchlight unit (photo from the first message) is made on the Leyland Terrier TSE4 chassis. Classic Military Vehicle №4 2012.

[Lang]

I have just bought a Morris D project to work on for my next expedition.

[Konstantin Chernov]

1) Leyland Terrier. Probably the very first version.
2) Leyland Terrier. Photo from the Internet. This model looks much more impressive. My colleague in automobile history claims that this is a Bull-Terrier.
3) Leyland Terrier from the Vanderveen reference book (1974 edition).
4) Leyland Terrier from the book "British Military Trucks in the Service of the Wehrmacht".
5) Leyland Bull Terrier from the Classic Military Vehicle 2012-04 magazine. According to the author, 120 vehicles of this type were produced.
It remains unclear: which trucks in photos №2, 3 and 4? A late version of the Terrier or a Bull Terrier? Perhaps this question can be answered by "Leyland parts list for chassis no. TSE-5374-5387, model 'Bull-Terrier' " . Unfortunately this book is not publicly available
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1500087091

[Konstantin Chernov]

A test run through the hills of North Wales in 1936. This was an event where car manufacturers presented their vehicles to military representatives. Pictured is a Leyland Retriever. The quality of the picture is not very good and I could be wrong, but it looks like the front wheel has eight mounting points. Also missing are the parking lights in a separate housing like on other Retriever trucks. Was this a serial production Retriever? Or was it a one-off experimental example?

[Mike K]

Is this a Retriever ? It is highly likely to be a 'refugee' truck, these were British army vehicles that were diverted to Australian ports - these trucks were taken into the Australian army registration system and issued to Australian units.

Place Oceania: Australia, Northern Territory, Stuart Highway
Accession Number 014393
Collection type Photograph
Object type Nitrate, Silver Gelatin
Physical description Nitrate, Silver Gelatin
Maker Turner, Harry
Place made Australia: Northern Territory
Date made 9 March 1943
Conflict Second World War, 1939-1945
Copyright
Item copyright: Copyright expired - public domain

This item is in the Public Domain

Description
NORTH SOUTH MILITARY HIGHWAY. THIS PIECE OF ROAD MAKING MACHINERY REQUIRED FOR WORK FURTHER NORTH IS BEING PULLED ON TO A TRAILER AT A CONSTRUCTION DEPOT SOMEWHERE IN CENTRAL AUSTRALIA. (NEGATIVE BY TURNER).

[Konstantin Chernov]

Originally Posted by Mike K

Is this a Retriever ?

Without a doubt - this is a Retriever. The probability is the second series (conditionally)
1) The first series. The radiator filler neck is vertical. At the bottom of the radiator there is a plate that covers it by about a quarter of the height. Or without plates.
2) These are the trucks that are found as trophies in German photos. Therefore, I believe that this was the earliest series.
3) On these cars, the filler heads are located at an angle. The plate may also be installed or not.
4) The very last series. The radiators are of a completely different design.
Perhaps I am wrong, since there is an assumption that the earliest is the Retriever without parking lights from the post http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...5&postcount=15