Cover Battery Assembly F15A

[Bill Alexander]

The F15A project is moving along. Dad has encountered a problem. He wants to reconstruct the Cover Battery Assembly but he doesn't have an image or dimensions. The part(s) in question are CO1Q 810777 or CO10Q 810777A or Co10Q 810777B.
Could some one provide some good images / dimensions?
Thanks.

[Jacques Reed]

Hello Bill,

I cannot supply the required dimensions but if anyone here in Australia, preferably Victoria, could lend me an original I would be more than happy to lift the dimensions off it, reverse engineer it, and and post the plans here for all to use as I did with the battery holder for a Ford CMP vehicle.

See early part of this thread.

As a footnote to those plans: I found 38 Ford 38 Deluxe battery posts cut down make a good facsimile of the hard to get battery hold down posts.

Cheers,

Jacques

[Bill Alexander]

Thanks Jacques. There isn't a link to the thread you mention?

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bill

Over the years there has been a fair amount of discussion about battery boxes, though most as I remember has been about those used on Chevy CMPS of the different patterns. But I believe there has been discussion of the differences.

Who remembers the thread headings on battery boxes?

Cheers Phil

[Bill Alexander]

Hello Phil/Jacques, Sorry, I should have done a search first. Is this the thread in question? http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...hlight=battery

And this one? http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18784

Is the F8 box the same as the F 15? http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...hlight=battery

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bill

Those three are the ones I was remembering on the topic of Ford battery boxes there are several more on the topic of Chevy battery boxes.

But as I said in the heading for the big question do they answer your question? I think the answer is no. With Chevy and I understand the Fords the battery boxes that were mounted inside the cab are different from those that are mounted outside of the cab. Which is the type your Dad is working on?

Doing a search of MLU is sometimes difficult for example searching www.mapleleafup.net/forums results in a 180 threads or posts with the terms "battery box" Ford and F15A ( https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pe=&as_rights= ) if you go "battery box" Ford or Chevy the number jumps to 398. ( https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pe=&as_rights= )

Finding information on MLU is one of those two edge swords things, MLU is the place to look for information on CMPs etc. but at the same time because of the depth and extent of discussion it is difficult to find the bit of information you want.

Cheers Phil

[Bill Alexander]

Hello Phil, Not being the restorer, and at a distance from the project (physically) it is a bit of a chore to get the information and properly explain the question. Checking with Dad, he says it is that this is the exterior battery box, on the right hand side. (The numbers are from the Ford parts book.) b

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Bill Alexander

Hello Phil/Jacques, Sorry, I should have done a search first. Is this the thread in question? http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...hlight=battery

And this one? http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18784

Hi Bill,

Those are the ones.

Just to clarify there is the battery holder-my plans, and there is a battery cover. I assumed it is the cover plans you were seeking (including me)

Originals covers, like the holders, are pretty scarce but hopefully someone has one out there to get the dimensions and method of construction from it.

No use just folding up a box about the right dimensions to cover the battery.

Recently obtained a rubber cased 6V battery from a supplier here in Australia- Ariel Batteries. Was very pleased dealing with them. They were able to build it with the positive and negative posts in the correct location and suggested I Leave it dry until closer to needing it, a good idea. Since the photo was taken I repositioned the label to the rear of the case- a bit too in your face I thought!

See photo attached.

Cheers,

Jacques

[Bill Alexander]

Hi Jacques, Thank-you for the confirmation on the correct threads. He is looking for the cover information.
So, hopefully someone has a cover to image for reference and dimensions?

[Bill Alexander]

Does anyone have a cover to image and measure?

[Lynn Eades]

Is this close to what you are looking for?
This is from Ebay. It is for a Jeep. This one, I would say is not quite correct, however it claims to be.
Originally I think they were a std Ford item that became the U.S. quartermaster stores item. They were on Jeeps, Dodges, and were modified to the Australian LP2 Carriers. (two were welded together with a bolt on lid, for the carrier)
I suspect they were the same on the CMPs if not at home in Canada and Europe, at least in Australasia.
As I recall, the originals I have seen had a gap in the corners, and the four pieces at the corners were folded down, and welded at the lower edges.
I wait to see if others agree.

[Bill Alexander]

Hi Lynne, Thanks for posting the image. That isn't what dad is looking for. He has the hold down bracket, but there is a cover that goes over the battery assembly.

[Lynn Eades]

No trouble Bill. I too am now waiting to see what they were like.

[Keith Webb]

These are all original components.

Nor sure whether I have measurements.

[Lynn Eades]

Keith, that is the hold down frame (as opposed to a "cover") that I was referring to.
The value of a picture!!!

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Keith, that is the hold down frame (as opposed to a "cover") that I was referring to.
The value of a picture!!!

Yes, there are three components there, the hold down cradle, frame and cover, evident in the middle picture.

[Bill Alexander]

Thanks Keith. The image is great. From the looks of it, one could make up a cover fairly easily.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

These are all original components.

Nor sure whether I have measurements.

Well done Keith, I never expected to see an original battery cover in captivity! I reckon they'd be the very first item on a blitz to be discarded.

With this image we can take accurate measurements off the box itself and the distance between posts. Looks like the top plate is heavier gauge, which would explain why it's two piece construction.

This is the Macs repro hold down frame, good value at $12.45 and looks the part.

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

These are all original components.

Nor sure whether I have measurements.

Hi All

If the picture in the middle looks correct then take a look at the measurements on my web page. http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...tingPage3.html .

Cheers Phil

[Bill Alexander]

Thanks Phil, Between the images and the measurements we should be able to make one.

[Keith Webb]

The cover not only looks correct, it is correct, for a Ford CMP.

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi All

If the picture in the middle looks correct then take a look at the measurements on my web page. http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...tingPage3.html .

Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

The cover not only looks correct, it is correct, for a Ford CMP.

Is there a difference between Chevrolet and Ford battery boxes? (Of course there is.... let me rephrase that, what is the difference between Chevrolet and Ford battery boxes?

I think I have a Chevrolet one, will dig it out and take pictures and measurements (it will take a while though).

H.

[BCA]

There is an NOS battery cover in my swap meet material for the OMVA Winter Show in Acton, Ontario (March 8). ... Brian

[Grant Bowker]

There may be more differences than just Ford/Chev.
I've seen some 13 cab Chev driver side step / running board set up for battery with the long axis transverse to the truck and others set up with the long axis along the vehicle. My impression is that the longitudinal mount may be too tight in spacing on C15A due to the fuel tank mounting location although I don't have document or photo proof to support this.

[Jordan Baker]

Brian, sent you a PM on the cover

Grant, Good point. However I know on my truck the metal plate that the battery tray sits on was drilled for both ways. I couldn't figure out what the second set of holes were for then realized they lined up for a tray sitting parallel or perpendicular to the frame.

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Bill Alexander

Hi Jacques, Thank-you for the confirmation on the correct threads. He is looking for the cover information.
So, hopefully someone has a cover to image for reference and dimensions?

Hi Bill,

Just awaiting a phone call from an owner of an original Ford battery box.

If and when I get the dimensions, metal thickness, and method of construction I will draft it up and post it here for all to use like I did with the battery holder.
The chances of finding a good original one is pretty slim so an accurate replica is the only real way to go.

Cheers,

Jacques

[Bill Alexander]

Thanks Jacques, that will be useful for anyone restoring a truck.
I appreciate the assistance all members have given with my requests. Dad is moving along on the project, doing up "inside" projects right now. (Work on steering box, dash instruments, etc.) Some more questions are in the offing, and I will post them when we get to those parts of the restoration.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Is there a difference between Chevrolet and Ford battery boxes? (Of course there is.... let me rephrase that, what is the difference between Chevrolet and Ford battery boxes?

So here's my example, reportedly off a Chevrolet. Is it Chevrolet? Or Ford? Or both? Who can enlighten me?

I can take measurements if anyone wants them.

H.

[Grant Bowker]

The lower part is at least similar to the remains I have found on Chevrolets.
I don't have a top so all dimensions will be useful as I will probably have to make one.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

From the manual on How to reassemble a Ford F15:

Spot the battery box and cover!