Chrysler Corpn. LC427-C-PASS-1

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This is the Car, Light, Sedan 4x2 Chrysler Corporation LC427-C-PASS-1 from the Canadian Army Overseas Vehicle Data Book.

The Data Book refers to Parts list WM-3814 which has an extensive list with Model Codes (see 2nd pic). But which vehicle model is depicted in the Data Book?

Which models was the Canadian Army supplied with? Did they get them all the models shown in the parts list?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here is CM4233904, from Canada's Fighting Vehicles:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Jordan Baker has a Dodge D23C Special Deluxe model which he painted up in camouflage and marked up as CM4233905: 1942 Dodge/Chrysler

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This 1941 Dodge Series D19 Deluxe sedan is marked up with census number CM4292138. It is on display at Valiant Air Command Inc. Warbird Museum, Titusville, Florida. I don't think there is a way of telling whether this is an original Canadian Army car or a civilian one painted up as such.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Custom

[Mike Kelly]

Pics of a 1941 Dodge in RAAF service, this car is actually a Plymouth fitted with a fake Dodge grill, badges and trim, this was a cheap option that typically Chrysler preferred to use for the smaller markets. This car would be RHD and fitted with a TJ Richards body. Compared to other wartime staff car variants , very few of these were made and I think only two have survived , the RAAF seemed to be the main user although a few may have been sold to civilian hire car operators .

[Mike Kelly]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This 1941 Dodge Series D19 Deluxe sedan is marked up with census number CM4292138. It is on display at Valiant Air Command Inc. Warbird Museum, Titusville, Florida. I don't think there is a way of telling whether this is an original Canadian Army car or a civilian one painted up as such.

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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Custom

Hanno,

That car appears to be the Plymouth based version of a Dodge but it does have Dodge like features !

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This is the Car, Light, Sedan 4x2 Chrysler Corporation LC427-C-PASS-1 from the Canadian Army Overseas Vehicle Data Book.

The Data Book refers to Parts list WM-3814 which has an extensive list with Model Codes (see 2nd pic). But which vehicle model is depicted in the Data Book?

Which models was the Canadian Army supplied with? Did they get them all the models shown in the parts list?

Attachment 124499 Attachment 124500

From what I am seeing in the manual, it appears to me that Canada was using eight different 4x2 Light Sedan Models.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

That car appears to be the Plymouth based version of a Dodge but it does have Dodge like features !

Mike, the above, and "Plymouths fitted with fake Dodge grill, badges and trim" - I need to get my head around Chrysler's uncurbed badge engineering.

Which is why I bought that manual, should be an interesting read!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

From what I am seeing in the manual, it appears to me that Canada was using eight different 4x2 Light Sedan Models.

Indeed eight of the models listed were built in Canada, but seeing the US built ones are included, could they have been used as well?

I think not, the Chrysler 4x2 Light Car was not used much it seems. Most numerous were the cars by Ford and then Chevrolet. I do not know the pricing of the Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler cars, but seeing they are essentially the same I reckon the Canadian government ordered the lowest priced ones.

Now, who has contract details for the Car, Light, Sedan 4x2?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here is CM4233904, from Canada's Fighting Vehicles:

To my question "Which model is depicted here and which models were supplied to the Canadian Army?" Bill Kreiner replied:

It's definitely a Plymouth P14, though I'm not sure if it's the S (Deluxe) or C (Special). Designated a 1942 in terms of model-year, it was introduced in the latter part of 1941, and stragglers were still being exported in 1943 and 1944. I presume the 1942 War Units page shown here lists the Canadian Army cars, but there is a separate Export page showing more, and I know the majority of these went to Australia. I wonder if perhaps some of the exports were overseas Canadian Army cars. The only year with a separate War Units page is 1942.
Edit (reviewed past communications): Australian automotive historian Eric North mentioned that the 42 Chrysler C34W models listed on the 1942 War Units sheet were delivered to the Australian Army in 1944. This suggests the War Units and Export categories of this period are a bit hazy.

[Jordan Baker]

Here is a Dodge one. From the rear cover of CAM v1no4 January 1944

[Mike Kelly]

A theory: The military 1941 De Soto ute I had , had the typical Aust. army requirement , where the nomenclature was stenciled on the firewall, I recall in that case, the model was SP11 . Reading the list Hanno uploaded ,I see that the 'S' was possibly meaning 'Special' . These Plymouth based army utes had heavier rear springs fitted than the standard sedans, and possibly other chassis mods. Maybe the 'S' covered those mods.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Biil wrote:

Not sure if anyone else has this book, but it lists blackout serials for some marques (the various Chrysler Corp. cars and Cadillac, from what I saw while browsing it today for other reasons). It doesn't distinguish military from civilian cars, but the military cars may well be in the blackout range.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Cross reference to Ident info needed Plymouth staff car 1942

Originally Posted by Gordons

Looking for info on 1942 Plymouth tag PLYMOUTH DIVISION Chrysler Corporation, Winsor Ontario 4 door staff car, it has the original olive drab paint under the top paint and under the hood areas, see data plates, trying to confirm this is a War time staff car ? Found in northern BC Canada, Alaska highway area.
serial number 9834704, Model P14 C4 DR SED , Body No 2075, paint code 1657, trim code 117

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Posted by Ashley Elliott on FB: "My dad's 41 Plymouth (right hand drive)".

I think this one resides in the UK.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

A Car, Heavy, Sedan. Is this a Buick?

Census number is CM4233912.

"Canadian Army Overseas Photo Holland.
Two members of HQ Canadian Forces in the Netherlands were married on 12 Oct. in the R.C. Chapel of the Kleine Seminary, Apeldoorn. Photo shows the Staff Car in which the happy couple drove away, surrounded by members of the CWAC Brass Band and H.Q. personnel. The bride is Pte. Flora Lizotte (CWAC), Winnipeg; the groom, Pte. Elden Simonson, Vancouver."


Source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/d...f-4904f20ab85f

[Paul Singleton]

Looks like a 1942? Plymouth.

[Jordan Baker]

No. It appears to be a Dodge D23c Special Delux.

[Paul Singleton]

I knew it was a Chrysler product. The Dodge and Plymouth are virtually the same in those years.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Thanks Paul and Jordan. I still need to learn how to ID the various Chrysler cars from that era - and some say today's cars all look the same

They are not Light Cars in my European eyes either.

Now merged the thread with this one on the Car, Light, LC427-C-PASS-1.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

"old Canadian military cars" still turn up every now and then....

we are selling this 1940 Plymouth it’s an old Canadian military car back in the day, it’s got 2 suicide doors it’s all original only has 88 660 kms on its a great vehicle to fix up and put in a car show searious inquires only.
Message me for more details looking to sell it fast as we are selling our house and want it gone great for a project car too
asking 8000 obo

Source: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...6419834882945/

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

"old Canadian military cars" still turn up every now and then....

Source: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...6419834882945/

The ad is still online though it now says *sold* - seems it went for not a lot of money:

Sold · 1940 Plymouth p10
$5,000

[Lang]

Hanno or anyone

Who knows where our Dodge from the Aqaba to Normandy trip went? Is it still alive in UK or elsewhere?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Lang

Hanno or anyone

Who knows where our Dodge from the Aqaba to Normandy trip went? Is it still alive in UK or elsewhere?

Hello Lang, can't say I've seen it in the metal since you took it on that trip.
Last seen online in 2007 when it was put up for sale: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...1437#post71437

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Lang, I put a feeler out on FB and Alec Small replied:

Sheila the Dodge is down in Devon

[Lang]

Thank you Hanno

It is nice to know one of your vehicles is being used and looked after.

The 1942 Chevrolet Utility I took from Istanbul to Normandy the following event has now been chopped and hotrodded with the mechanicals taken to the dump. So sad to see them go that way.

Lang

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Lang

It is nice to know one of your vehicles is being used and looked after.

The 1942 Chevrolet Utility I took from Istanbul to Normandy the following event has now been chopped and hotrodded with the mechanicals taken to the dump. So sad to see them go that way.

That is so sad to hear... reminds me of the Dodge D8A T212 of which a photograph was published in Wheels & Tracks magazine a long time ago. It was slated to be turned into a hot rod as well, but was never spotted again.

[Lang]

From this: To This

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Ouch!

A good smack on the head would be in order

[Alex van de Wetering]

I have seen some "woody" C11ADF's that received a similar treatment....bright paintwork, perfect condition.....loved and stored indoors, but for us MV enthusiasts it hurts.

Than again, I don't know what's worse.....there are also plenty of examples of vehicles that were on the show circuit in the 80's and 90's....regulars at Normandy anniversaries.....that end up in a farm yard outdoors for years, only to be broken up for parts or scrapped in the end!

Lang, I think I did see your Chev photograph van in France with it's new, owner a couple of months ago. Still looking nice.