C8A HUM census numbers?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Marty Morren is looking for a suitable census number for his C8A HUM.

Who can help with contract number & census number range?

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[Phil Waterman]

Hi Hanno

Two possible lists , Peter Ford, and John Merchant list. Though many of those are from existing vehicles. Will take look and see what numbers show up .
Cheers Phil


PS Is the serial or engine known both list have those as well so might find something closer.

[M.Morren]

Hi Phil,

The serial and engine numbers are:
Chassis: 3844515289
Engine: FR3918642

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by M.Morren

Hi Phil,

The serial and engine numbers are:
Chassis: 3844515289
Engine: FR3918642

Hello Marty,

LV.1679 was one of the contracts for C8A's, see Chevrolet Heavy Utility contracts.

Search this forum, and you'll find a few more C8A's supplied under that number.

HTH,
Hanno

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Parts of David Hayward's site were copied to other sites, for Chevrolet census numbers see his page:

"ALLOCATION OF W.D. NUMBERS BY CENTRAL CENSUS TO 23RD NOVEMBER 1944 - CHEVROLET"
at http://www.gregwapling.com/hotrod/ch...t/warchev.html

Search for "C.8A"

HTH,
Hanno

Originally Posted by David_Hayward (RIP)

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/...k/warchev.html
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/...k/warford.html


http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/...lk/WARGMC.html


http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/...dgelisting.htm
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/...dgelisting.doc

Please note that these are out-of-date, and in the Ford listing there are some errors and new information.

[M.Morren]

Hi Hanno,

Thank you for sharing the link.
I'm sadly not able to get any meaningful info out of it though.
Searching fir the contract number also has not brought up anything solid.
Maybe I'm not looking good enough?
And maybe someone else has any info?

Cheers!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Not a HUM, but another HUP with a clear census number and a rather high one it seems:

Z5914135

Note it is used by the Canadian Army, but the census number is British.

Amsterdam, 5 May 1945.

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Source: https://archief.amsterdam/beeldbank/...1-c1f37c490834

[David Dunlop]

Hi Hanno.

Any idea where in Amsterdam that was taken?

To my tired eyes, that looks like a number of German military personnel standing on the property to the right, and quite a lot of them seem to be smiling.

David

[Alex van de Wetering]

Note it is use by the Canadian Army, but the census number is British.

Hanno, why do you say the Census number is British? There are several late war pictures of Canadian vehicles with census numbers starting with "59"....some with the "C" prefix, but a lot of them without.
The 59 range according to the Chilwell list is "Various allotted to middle east", but I think these were given to Canadian vehicles when they ran out of room in the 42....range.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Hanno, why do you say the Census number is British? There are several late war pictures of Canadian vehicles with census numbers starting with "59"....some with the "C" prefix, but a lot of them without.
The 59 range according to the Chilwell list is "Various allotted to middle east", but I think these were given to Canadian vehicles when they ran out of room in the 42....range.

Because the census number does not come from a range of numbers allocated to the Canadian Army Overseas - see post #12 above. So that means it was part of a block of census numbers assigned to British contracts. Now, we know that many vehicles acquired by the British government were allotted to Canadian and other allied armies. In that case vehicles from British contracts often got a “C” added, but many did not as this HUP shows.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Because the census number does not come from a range of numbers allocated to the Canadian Army Overseas - see post #12 above.

That list dates from July 1943, so I am not sure if that allows us to draw conclusions on vehicles seen in 1944/45. I mean, I question that a Canadian vehicle census starting with 59 (or basically any 7 figure number not starting with 42) is automatically an (ex) British contract vehicle.

For instance, a number of C60L APT's have come up for sale over the past few years, some which seemingly still have their original paint and census....they start with "59" and are from contract SM 6520. So, is this a Canadian or British contract?
I have no proof, but I don't think Canadian contract census numbers ended at 4299999, but more likely more census numbers were needed and numbers previously not taken up were used.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

Hi Hanno.

Any idea where in Amsterdam that was taken?

To my tired eyes, that looks like a number of German military personnel standing on the property to the right, and quite a lot of them seem to be smiling.

David

David,

Hanno's link gives the location as "Van Baerlestraat" at the location of the old Iceskating club. I just found out that the building was taken down in 1947 and the ice rink is what we now call the "Museumplein"...the scene of an anti Covid lockdown demonstration, today!

[david moore]

That is a Canadian vehicle - see the maple leaf sign at the rear.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by david moore

That is a Canadian vehicle - see the maple leaf sign at the rear.

I'm thinking HQ (the 9) 1st Canadian Army.

[Ed Storey]

The vehicle may even have come up with the Corps from Italy.