Rubber Mudflaps Question

[Owen Evans]

The parts list for the Canadian water tank truck identifies the rear mudflaps (9275) as 3/16" Rubber - 13-1/2" x 15-1/2". Does anyone know if they were square, or would they have had radiused corners at the bottom?

Parts list also identifies 7 no' fixings per mudflap, along with a reinforcement (9276). I presume this reinforcement is some type of flat steel plate, and the mudflap is sandwiched between this plate and the fender?

Does anyone have any photos of the rubber mudflaps, and also hopefully the reinforcement?

Thanks,
Owen.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Owen,

Attached are two details, taken from the servicepub Factory photos CD.

It seems it's just a square piece of rubber....fixed to the inside of the fender with a plate and 7 bolts as you suggested.

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

Here is a detail pic of a cab 13 water truck from the NIMH archive.....sadly a bit hard to see, but this one still seems to have rubber flaps fitted, while the servicepub CD suggests that some late war water tankers might have been fitted with canvas flaps.


source: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/b...eld=waterwagen

(other two pics in previous post are of a C15A cab12, by the way!)

Alex

[Owen Evans]

Thanks Alex!

I see from the link you posted that the 13 cab tanker has front mudflaps too. With the step and front fender on the 11 cab bolting to the same support bracket, I guess the early CMP's didn't need that.

I do have a question though:

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Attached are two details, taken from the servicepub Factory photos CD.Alex

What's the servicepub factory photos CD?

Owen.

[Alex van de Wetering]

No problem, Owen!

Here is another shot of the 13cab version

https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/b...=watertankauto

The Factory photos CD is a CD-rom that was released by Clive Law of Servicepub, a few years ago. I am not sure if the CD is still available since Clive's passing, though.

Alex

[Grant Bowker]

The Factory Photos CD was published by Clive Law https://servicepub.com/clive-law as part of his Service Publications project. It was a collection of the original Ford and GM photos taken at the factory (possibly with some DND photos) of most CMP models. The emphasis was on cab and chassis, as you might expect from the auto companies.

I just checked on line and don't see a listing for the Factory Photos CD on the listing for the folks who have taken over since Clive's death. https://servicepub.com/publications They do list Clive's Drive to Victory as still being available https://servicepub.com/product/drive...tskin-vehicles along with many of the books/booklets published by Clive. No harm in sending them an email to ask if the CD is still available.

[Harlé Sylvain]

Hello
Does it mean that the mudflaps on early cmp where all rubber or only the water tanks?

I want to make those of my fat cab 12 could they be in rubber?

Regards
Sylvain

[Owen Evans]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

No harm in sending them an email to ask if the CD is still available.

Thanks! Email sent; let's see what comes back.

Originally Posted by Harlé Sylvain

Hello
Does it mean that the mudflaps on early cmp where all rubber or only the water tanks?

I want to make those of my fat cab 12 could they be in rubber?

As far as I know, rubber rationing came in following the fall of Malaya and the Dutch East Indies in early 1942. Before that, I believe all types of CMP had rubber mudflaps.

Owen.

[Pete Ashby]

Originally Posted by Owen Evans

Thanks! Email sent; let's see what comes back.



As far as I know, rubber rationing came in following the fall of Malaya and the Dutch East Indies in early 1942. Before that, I believe all types of CMP had rubber mudflaps.

Owen.

Yes that's correct Owen rubber mud flaps fitted to the rear only, rubber trim on door sills and around the arch bar to seal the outer engine casing panels and of course on 12 cabs the windscreen seal.

Pete
PS seeing your post suddenly reminded me I haven't sent you the throttle cross shaft I promised you I'll look it out for you.

[Pete Ashby]

Owen here's a photo taken during restoration of my C15A 12 cab it should blow up enough to show the flaps clearly they are exact copies of an original flap and fixing bar that I used as a pattern. From memory the rubber was around 5mm thick the screws holding the fixing bar are dome head machine screws with nuts and spring washers on the inside
Pete

[Owen Evans]

Originally Posted by Pete Ashby

PS seeing your post suddenly reminded me I haven't sent you the throttle cross shaft I promised you I'll look it out for you.

No problem at all Pete. I assumed you'd been taking advantage of the unusual "global warming" we've had in the UK of late!

Owen.

[Bob Carriere]

Early models of the cab 11 did not have any door seals on the arch bars....that was primarily a cab 12 luxury item.

As rubber became scarce steering wheel went to wood, mud flaps went from rubber to canvass and cab's various seals went to flat canvass oil/tar impregnated and thicker canvass welting. There is evidence that body spacers we made of recycled car tire sidewalls. Spare tires also became the norm. Old stock would still have been in various overseas stores.

Changes started to happen approx. same time as cab 13 came on the scene.... no specific dates as changes were made as supplies on the assembly lines dried up.


cheers

[Harlé Sylvain]

Hello
thanks ! I will made my mudflaps in rubber

Sylvain

[Lynn Eades]

Probably neoprene or some such, ......but not rubber, Sylvain

[Guy Verstrepen]

Owen here on the net I once saw this picture.

I think it looks like supplied rubber with a rope processed for strength.
and he is mounted on a waterbowser.
So hopefully you have a conclusive proof of what type of mudflap was mounted there.


cheers Guy.

[Owen Evans]

Originally Posted by Guy Verstrepen

Owen here on the net I once saw this picture.

I think it looks like supplied rubber with a rope processed for strength.
and he is mounted on a waterbowser.
So hopefully you have a conclusive proof of what type of mudflap was mounted there.

cheers Guy.

Thanks Guy. On closer inspection, the mudflaps in that picture are maybe canvas? Possibly a later truck?

Owen.

[Harry Moon]

I had the original canvas and wire mud flaps like the water truck picture above and i used the wire to fabricate a pair of replica's.

[Harry Moon]

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ight=mud+flaps

[Guy Verstrepen]

okay thanks guys

something that I have learned.
The image I posted is from a cab 13 of maybe1942. because the overflow tank of the cooling hangs outside on the nose? or is it not correct. in any case, the image had to be taken in 1942/1943, they quickly changed to canvas to save rubber, here another factory image of the same truck.
1942 CHANGES
# 13 CAB PRODUCTION BEGAN AT SERIAL # 284XX01524?

cheers

[Guy Verstrepen]

Originally Posted by Guy Verstrepen

okay thanks guys

something that I have learned.
The image I posted is from a cab 13 of maybe1942. because the overflow tank of the cooling hangs outside on the nose? or is it not correct. in any case, the image had to be taken in 1942/1943, they quickly changed to canvas to save rubber, here another factory image of the same truck.
1942 CHANGES
# 13 CAB PRODUCTION BEGAN AT SERIAL # 284XX01524?

cheers

okay thanks guys

something that I have learned.
The image I posted is from a cab 13 of maybe1942. because the overflow tank of the cooling hangs outside on the nose? or is it not correct. in any case, the image had to be taken in 1942/1943, they quickly changed to canvas to save rubber, here another factory image of the same truck.
1942 CHANGES
# 13 CAB PRODUCTION BEGAN AT SERIAL # 284XX01524?

cheers