Ford Blitz Restoration/Rebuild

[Private_collector]

Originally Posted by Bob Moseley

Hi Tony - a bit of research shows that

Painters Pit Stop
Gympie
50 Duke Street Gympie, 4570
Phone: (07) 5482 9011

is an outlet/distributor for Protec Paints. I cannot see why Protec here, Head Office, could not forward the formula to them. If you like make some enquiries with them and we'll see what we can do. There are several Protec outlets in Qld and are easy to find with Google. You would be able to identify who is close to you. If it is too hard I could always get it made up here and send to you. I always use a satin finish and they do all the flattening.

Bob

I have now received 2 emails from Protec. The first asked what type of paint I had used, and while I thought this slightly odd to request, I complied and replied with same.

Second email was simply "kind regards" & the authors signature, with three attachments, each containing the MSDS for the individual products.

Since receiving this email, I have read & re-read my first contact asking if they held the formula for Khaki Green 3 in satin, and asking of they could supply it ready for use (I.E: flattening base added in an effective amount).

Despite careful scrutiny of my initial correspondence, I am stuffed if I can see ANYWHERE where I have asked for MSDS sheets. Bob, this is exactly the sort of poor attention to detail that I detest. It certainly does NOT inspire confidence to ask one question, and receive an answer completely estranged from the topic. This is precisely why I wanted to 'idiot proof' the paint purchase as much as I can and utilise my color, which is available in spray cans. Unfortunately, this does mean I will need to muck around adding base myself. I will send a third email to Protec, enlightening them to the initial question, and maybe I might get a sensible answer........maybe not!

Surely it's not too much to ask for a response to a simple question, without having to turn the whole thing into what I call a "trilogy in four parts"

On a slightly happier note, if anybody wants a copy of MSDS for Protec Autofleet 609, 609 hardener or R199 Paraglaze, I can send them to you.

[Mike K]

I downloaded Protecs data sheets . They make a 2 pack matt paint for the ADF vehicles and I asked them if they could mix up a certain green colour in that ADF flat finish . They replied NO , they only sell it in the current ADF colours listed .

They do have a good range of various paints . its worthwhile researching what they sell .

Mike

[Local Chap]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

I downloaded Protecs data sheets . They make a 2 pack matt paint for the ADF vehicles and I asked them if they could mix up a certain green colour in that ADF flat finish . They replied NO , they only sell it in the current ADF colours listed .

They do have a good range of various paints . its worthwhile researching what they sell .

Mike

Protec's paint for the ADF cam colours is a premixed enamel, not 2 pack.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Tony - why are you trying to re-invent the wheel. I have dealt with Protec for the last ten years. I just go in, order the paint for which they have the formula and get it when it is ready. I have already intimated I could do that for you, it is a walk up start. This is what having contacts is all about. I have bought in excess of 150l of this colour plus all the other obscure colours I need for my instrument panel work. When buying the paint I also get them to supply a couple of spray cans for touch up work. Everything is done in the laboratory down here whereas your paint shop just would not have the capability to do what is required.

Your other problem is that you are relying on Emails. It is far better to talk to someone and give them my name. Then they just look on their database and bingo, this is what the guy requires.

Bob

[Private_collector]

Bob,

I'm glad your experience with Protec is satisfactory. Though I'm puzzled how expecting a reasonable A to a simple Q is "re-inventing the wheel". The only time I can be guaranteed a chance to correspond is in the evening, and that means emails. I like email, it means I have an exact copy of what was advised or discussed, for future reference. In this case it means I can send mail when I am able to do so & ensure they have all details needed or requested. Perhaps even a photo or two to illustrate a point. That suits me just fine, you can't use email as an excuse for bad service or poor attention to detail. Whether I get a sensible answer to email, well that's their call.

Its nice of you to offer to get involved. I do appreciate this, but the issue here is consistency of customer service. I really shouldn't need to name drop to get their attention. If I don't get the same service devotion as Bob Moseley would, they are not going to get my business. I would find it offensive if your name got assistance, I as a new customer cannot!

Protec may yet be able to help, pending reply to email I sent tonight. Otherwise I write them off as a bad joke. That would be a pity, because their product is quite acceptable and easy to spray. So are many other brands.

Buying paint is easy, or should be. And I will happily buy from Protec or someone else. I painted vintage & classic vehicles professionally for many years, and know how things should happen. The truly amusing thing is that I could walk into any medium to large auto repair/refinishing shop, with a color sample, and they could scan it and produce a formula, using a hand held paint scanner. Flattening base not whtistanding, of course.

I will get back to you via PM in next couple of days regarding whether the dash you are doing for me should be painted KG3 or just primed. On the off chance Protec don't impress, next time you go there, give them MY name & tell them they lost a customer. If they don't understand how.......maybe I could send this posting to them.......via email of course!

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Bob Moseley

Your other problem is that you are relying on Emails. It is far better to talk to someone and give them my name. Then they just look on their database and bingo, this is what the guy requires.

Bob

Absolutely agree . Emails with the ordinary staff people at a branch asking specific questions are a waste of time . The bozo at the computer doesn't have a clue what you want . You have to ring them or go to the counter to get results. Most businesses ignore emails from hobby type individuals as it's not worth their time responding .

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Local Chap

Protec's paint for the ADF cam colours is a premixed enamel, not 2 pack.

They do actually do a 2 pack ADF system . It's called BARRIER PU 601 ...$70 for 4 litres and $30 for the hardener

The stuff your thinking of is 342 Camoflage enamel .

[Private_collector]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

They do actually do a 2 pack ADF system . It's called BARRIER PU 601 ...$70 for 4 litres and $30 for the hardener

The stuff your thinking of is 342 Camoflage enamel .

Mike,

Were you pleased with this product?

It might be a good option if it's matt & premixed. DAMN CHEAP TOO!!!
I don't give a rats who I get paint from, so long as its simple to obtain once source located. It was Protec head office I have been writing to. Local paint shop here mean well, but not much help & poorly motivated.

You are right or course regarding emails, so is Bob, though it shouldn't happen that way.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi Tony - sorry you are having hassles with Protec, but I will let you sort that out. Below is the formula that I used for the colour for a timber paint. Depending on the base colour of the metal paint, I use Protec Equipment Enamel 304, the formula should be the same. I did not need to flatten it as it was for timber. The laboratory here does the metal paint flattening for me.

Khaki Green No. 3 Timbercote
• 4l yellow base
• B: 9Y, 20
• D: 1Y
• F: 34
• A: 1Y, 20
Paint code ex. Protec Paints

Khaki Green No.3 is B.S. 381-1939
Humbrol model paint code 30 should give you the colour match.

Your paint shop in Gympie should be able to get that right which just leaves you with the flattening problem, but I see there is plenty of good advice from our fellow MLUers. Just let me know if I can help you with anything.

Bob

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Private_collector

Mike,

Were you pleased with this product?

It might be a good option if it's matt & premixed. DAMN CHEAP TOO!!!
I don't give a rats who I get paint from, so long as its simple to obtain once source located. It was Protec head office I have been writing to. Local paint shop here mean well, but not much help & poorly motivated.

You are right or course regarding emails, so is Bob, though it shouldn't happen that way.

If you look at the current ADF vehicles , the camo colours are what Protec makes and sells . The green is too light for me . I wanted Deep bronze green from the BSC chart . But they won't tint it , you have to buy the stuff in the standard ADF green and tint it yourself . It's a polyurethane 2 pack enamel . It's supposedly scratch proof and very hard .

I haven't tried it yet myself, but yes, it is cheap .

You can download the data sheet from their web site ... and all their other paint data as well . www.protec.com.au

Mike

[Private_collector]

Bob,

Thanks for the formula information. Very good of you to obtain that for me, and your previous offer to arrange supply from down there, despite hardly knowing me, was a grand gesture. I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to calling on others, particularly where on-going involvement would be needed on your part, or possibly so. I'm funny with regards to customer service too. Any business can provide good service when things are going well, but true colors show (no pun) when things get rough or some degree of effort is required. I should mention at this point, that the guy I have had replies from Protec, is actually a "technical representitive & trainer" not some raw recruit counter jockey.

You know, of the several sandblasting companies in Gympie, only one is actually proactive and accomodating to needs. Morgan Engineering is that Co. Their main business is heavy truck repair & engineering / fabrication. In theory they would be within their rights to decline the small stuff I have had them involved in, but they actually care & want to be a part of the restoration. I am always asked what progress has been made since last visit. Up to now thats not been much, but I expect that will change as of now.........I plan. They are a family run business and I never feel like i'm imposing, even though I probably am. Pleasure to deal with them or other businesses like them. Likewise, the truck tyre place I took the two 'stuck' tyres to for removal from wheels. The poor sods spent ~45min each to get them off. Told me they were hardest tyres to remove in a very long while. Despite that, they charged me very little, and didn't ban me from bringing them more in future. The boss did ask for a days notice so he could have a valium though. These businesses are in my little town & I really feel this does make a difference too. Sorry city folks!

These businesses, like yourself, will be offered credit space on display board I will make regarding the rebuild, once finished!

I will visit Painters Pit-stop tomorrow and take your formula information, no doubt something can be arranged that will be suitable. I got reply from Protec today, which certainly shows they (correction, the guy that got the message) are not interested in helping me. My question was 'do you have Khaki Green 3' & I also asked of color range for ADF.

Email reply contents as follows:

No
We do not have a formula for this colour
We also do not supply any 601 Army material without ADF approval

Kind Regards

He flattly (pun intended) denied knowledge of the formula/name. Oh well, he can stick his head up a dead bears bum!

Thanks again to you, Mike & others for your patience & advice,

[Private_collector]

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly

They do actually do a 2 pack ADF system . It's called BARRIER PU 601 ...$70 for 4 litres and $30 for the hardener

The stuff your thinking of is 342 Camoflage enamel .

Mike,

I spent 90 min at the auto paint shop this morning/afternoon. The formula Bob supplied was apparently unable to be replicated in the Automotive 2 pack I wanted. This is the paint I used and was impressed with last weekend, when to insides of wheel halves were sprayed. In fact they said they didn't have a "yellow base" to start formula. Also, the mixing formula letter combination confused them, so no good with that, apparently. Couldn't get their head around the whole timber VS auto side of the process either.

If you read my recent postings here, you will recall Protec email responder stating they do NOT supply 601 without ADF approval. My local paint shop did not have ADF in 601, and couldn't find it in their database. They did feel it could be restricted, but will check for me. So TBA.

On the other hand, 342 Camoflage paint, enamel, is a standard pre mixed "lustreless" formula in three colors (they think). As fortune would have it, they actually had a 1L can in back room. This I have bought, in addition to a compatable hardener, effectively and literally turning this enamel into 2 Pack. The hardener is urethane! And NO FLATTENER NEEDED for mixing. I will study tech sheets tonight & trial this paint tomorrow, painting outside of the wheels. The insides will then be of darker color, which is regrettable, but being insides won't make a lick of difference, except I will know......and now you too.

Depending on whether I can deal with the color difference, I may even respray insides at later date. On the other hand, if the 342 is not satisfactory finish or quality, i will have wheels re-sandblasted and start from scratch. The enamel / 2 pack '342' paint will probably NOT allow recoating with another type of paint.

The 324 is considerably cheaper than 609 but is still around $45 a litre. At least they think so, couldn't actually find a price for this on the computer either, because it is used so rarely that they deleted it from sales files.

Tune in tomorrow for the next exciting episode of..........oh bugger it, even i'm bored with this now.......

[Andy Cusworth]

Hey Tony

this is like watching paint dry ...... very drab

[Mike K]

Tony

I rang the Protec Dandenong branch. The chap there said he would sell me ADF 601 no problem. He knew that particluar paint and he said they had some in stock . I dont know why you are getting the royal run around ..

Try another branch in QLD maybe

Mike